It's a ruff life being a dog.
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Jaros said:
Oh the decision is made. I would have booked him in but will wait until he recovers from his injury. Many dogs need to wait until they are older but cattle dogs are good to go from 6 months.
It is all on me to not want it done. I have never had a litter of pups and would REALLY like TJ to father a litter. But it's not really practical and there are so many unwanted dogs in pounds and rescue centres. It would not be a responsible thing to bring a litter into the world just to make me happy.
I want to get a companion for TJ but it will be a rescue dog. TJ was from an unplanned, unwanted litter so in a way he was a rescue as well.
I am sure he will thank you in so many joyful ways and make you proud. 
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I live in the hellhole of existence that is suburbia. Granted I feel that suburbia, irrespective of the advantages of the area, is like an open prison and not much more. So suburbia is not my cup of tea at all!
My two cents which, probably, will not go down well in some quarters but hey....the same sun shines on all of us so here's what I think.
I have a two young children. I've been waiting years for them to grow up a bit so I could introduce a dog into the family.
I have a 7 month old BC tricolour, from a working line. She is an epic dog. She is very well socialised with both people and other dogs. She has a very strong herding drive but she is also very emotionally aware/sensitive/sentient if you will.
I wasn't going to take a chance on a 'traditional' rescue dog with my kids because I want to be certain of the temperament and have 100% input into the emotional well being/development of the dog since taking possession of her at 8 weeks old. She is sort of a rescue dog as the farmer suffered a double heart attack and was packing in the farm, the dogs - everything. To help her bond with our clan I literally slept on the rug in the front room with her for the first seven nights so she would not feel utterly alone. I took time off work, I work nights, so I could do this.
I love this dog, it's one of the family. Even though my personal situation is nowhere near perfect for her to have a litter I also feel, probably from being a David Attenborough fan since I could see and hear, that everything on this planet should experience the full cycle of life insofar as is possible and therefore that they should procreate and have offspring, at least once. From the simplest organisms on Earth and to the Great Whales in our Oceans and everything in between, procreation is our raison d'etre, it's our reason for being.
How many people regret not having kids as winter steals into the garden? Most, I would think.
So I hope circumstances allow me to let this lovely girl mother some pups of her own someday but that is an ideal world isnt it?
Some may say its cruel to let them have a litter then give them the snip but I think that denying them the chance to fully experience the canine experience is also cruel.
All I know is that if I am in a situation whereby I feel I have to decide to give her the snip before she has a litter I will certainly feel that I am treating her in a somewhat cruel manner.
My two cents which, probably, will not go down well in some quarters but hey....the same sun shines on all of us so here's what I think.
I have a two young children. I've been waiting years for them to grow up a bit so I could introduce a dog into the family.
I have a 7 month old BC tricolour, from a working line. She is an epic dog. She is very well socialised with both people and other dogs. She has a very strong herding drive but she is also very emotionally aware/sensitive/sentient if you will.
I wasn't going to take a chance on a 'traditional' rescue dog with my kids because I want to be certain of the temperament and have 100% input into the emotional well being/development of the dog since taking possession of her at 8 weeks old. She is sort of a rescue dog as the farmer suffered a double heart attack and was packing in the farm, the dogs - everything. To help her bond with our clan I literally slept on the rug in the front room with her for the first seven nights so she would not feel utterly alone. I took time off work, I work nights, so I could do this.
I love this dog, it's one of the family. Even though my personal situation is nowhere near perfect for her to have a litter I also feel, probably from being a David Attenborough fan since I could see and hear, that everything on this planet should experience the full cycle of life insofar as is possible and therefore that they should procreate and have offspring, at least once. From the simplest organisms on Earth and to the Great Whales in our Oceans and everything in between, procreation is our raison d'etre, it's our reason for being.
How many people regret not having kids as winter steals into the garden? Most, I would think.
So I hope circumstances allow me to let this lovely girl mother some pups of her own someday but that is an ideal world isnt it?
Some may say its cruel to let them have a litter then give them the snip but I think that denying them the chance to fully experience the canine experience is also cruel.
All I know is that if I am in a situation whereby I feel I have to decide to give her the snip before she has a litter I will certainly feel that I am treating her in a somewhat cruel manner.
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TJ!!!!
The poor bubba! Hope he 'heels' soon.....
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Snakes is one of my fears for the mutts of this world. Dogs are inquisitive creatures and they explore with their noses and their teeth so snakes are the ultimate bad encounter for most dogs.
Sorry to hear about Turbo, condolences 8.( 8.(
The poor bubba! Hope he 'heels' soon.....
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Snakes is one of my fears for the mutts of this world. Dogs are inquisitive creatures and they explore with their noses and their teeth so snakes are the ultimate bad encounter for most dogs.
Sorry to hear about Turbo, condolences 8.( 8.(
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I have lost several beautiful dogs to snakes, but that's what you risk living in the bush. Heartbreaking, but life and other dogs go on, although I never forget the dogs I have lost.
Imaging being in your pre-teens and your Dad said, Lets go to the Doctor and get the snip... Your 'Dreams' would be shattered and you would resent your 'Dad / Owner' forever.. I know from our little 'Wolf'... He hated me for years... :awful: ]
At least give him 1 time, then get the snip done.. And Maybe you could get 'pick of litter' after nature takes it's course...
LW...
At least give him 1 time, then get the snip done.. And Maybe you could get 'pick of litter' after nature takes it's course...
LW...
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LoneWolf said:Imaging being in your pre-teens and your Dad said, Lets go to the Doctor and get the snip... Your 'Dreams' would be shattered and you would resent your 'Dad / Owner' forever.. I know from our little 'Wolf'... He hated me for years... :awful: ]
At least give him 1 time, then get the snip done.. And Maybe you could get 'pick of litter' after nature takes it's course...
LW...
You know it makes sense.
Thanks for all the input. Food for thought for sure.
Well TJ got through the night without tearing his bandage off. :fistpump:
Well TJ got through the night without tearing his bandage off.
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A mate has a 5yo male kelpie that will hump anything that stays still long enough to be mounted, nothing to do with procreation, it's just humping mad, dogs, cats, hay bales, human legs etc. He asked the vet if having it nutted would change the dog's behaviour and the vet said that it might and it might not - some dogs just keep on humping for many years after being nutted. So, my mate decided that he wouldn't go to the expense only to find out that his hound was still a humping maniac after the snip.
As for bitches having a litter before being spayed, it has been said that there is a chance they will lose just a little bit of love & devotion towards their owners after the litter, but the jury is still out on that.
I don't subscribe to the theory 'that everything on this planet should experience the full cycle of life insofar as is possible and therefore that they should procreate and have offspring'. I have some bogan neighbours who definitely should not be allowed to breed and the extremely high number of dogs that are put down each year by councils and RSPCA because of irresponsible breeding is increasing at an alarming rate.
Jeff
As for bitches having a litter before being spayed, it has been said that there is a chance they will lose just a little bit of love & devotion towards their owners after the litter, but the jury is still out on that.
I don't subscribe to the theory 'that everything on this planet should experience the full cycle of life insofar as is possible and therefore that they should procreate and have offspring'. I have some bogan neighbours who definitely should not be allowed to breed and the extremely high number of dogs that are put down each year by councils and RSPCA because of irresponsible breeding is increasing at an alarming rate.
Jeff
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snafu said:
Not having quality kids because of the number of people having six and seven kids at a time is never a smart choice imho. Same for quality dogs.
Mod edit. I just toned it down a little. Ramjet.
I've got no issues with the breeding of quality dogs, especially if the demand for the breed is more than just satisfying the egos of the owners. A big problem here in Australia with a lot of breeds is the limited gene pool and inbreeding is practised on a large scale with total disregard for the consequences. Puppy farms are the main offenders and they quite often go undetected for many years.
Keeping the bloodlines pure is one thing, but knowingly adding to the physical defects that inbreeding causes is inexcusable imo. German Shepherds are a classic case of the problem.
Jeff
Keeping the bloodlines pure is one thing, but knowingly adding to the physical defects that inbreeding causes is inexcusable imo. German Shepherds are a classic case of the problem.
Jeff
Great Pic RJ. erfect:
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He's awesome RJ, as for the discussions about the snip, the earlier the better, Rigby was done at 12 weeks and he's a working dog cross.
What I do see is the tragedy of working dogs in pounds and re-homing centres out numbering the other breeds, way too much of the cute puppy syndrome, then the new owner wakes up that the average working dog needs more exercise than the cute little designer lap dog, so they dump them.
If you let him get his rocks working, he won't thank you for the snip afterwards.
Damn that's an intelligent face, love him...
What I do see is the tragedy of working dogs in pounds and re-homing centres out numbering the other breeds, way too much of the cute puppy syndrome, then the new owner wakes up that the average working dog needs more exercise than the cute little designer lap dog, so they dump them.
If you let him get his rocks working, he won't thank you for the snip afterwards.
Damn that's an intelligent face, love him...
TJ at 8 months. Took him over to the river today. His first big day out since he cut himself. He went ballistic. Into the water and had half dozen other dogs to play with. In this pic he is all worn out and ready to go home.
He's a beauty ramjet.
This is my best mate,he's a Labrador,born and bred in Hull,he's called fletch,and he even shares my birthday,he will be 5 on the 25 of January,he loves the beach I take him every morning.he's been struggling a bit in the heat though as we are renting at the moment and have no air con.
This is my best mate,he's a Labrador,born and bred in Hull,he's called fletch,and he even shares my birthday,he will be 5 on the 25 of January,he loves the beach I take him every morning.he's been struggling a bit in the heat though as we are renting at the moment and have no air con.
Good lookin bloke.
Get one of those shell pool/ sand pit from Bunnings, we have one full of water on the lawn and the old lab loves it.
