GPZ7000 release, questions and information

[Teemore]

Heaven help us 12 - 24 months of nothing but rumour and speculation, rather be concentrating on what I have now and what I can do with it now ......... told my wife that if (and every time) I have another look at this topics posts to lock up my detector batteries for a few days.
Cheers T.

 

[HeadsUp]

Hmmm, lets all have a wild guess at the price......... No price has been even hinted at yet so any suggestion is pure speculation.
The facts, from Minelab, are as put here. Anything else is pure crap. Price, specifications etc., we will all have to wait and see what is released, and what is the price? Who knows, but I am sure any increase in price will be commensurate with the ability of the machine to detect gold.
Maybe its time to stop Minelab bashing.
After all, they are the reason many many people are prospecting today, and their ground breaking technology is what all others try to equal. Its that simple, and its my last word on this until we know more.

ttfn.

true Bill

I stand corrected . i was being overly sarcasimistic towards ML

thanks for offering up a neutral and not innaccurate perspective

 

[loamer]

anyone here been around long enough for when the first PI (2000) rumours were getting about all those years ago? The price, ability and the possibility that VLFs would be obsolete was laughed at. Then the rumours of the 2200?? Discrimination!!! Wow - that was laughed at as well. Then the rumours of a 'fast track button' - chuckle chuckle - will never happen. Then, a mono based detector with lots and lots of settings??? You must be joking. If anyone had gone to the Laanacoorie Gold Bash recently in Vic (were we don't have deep big gold apparently) the new possibilities/price were most certainly spoken about, but as the general consensus is that any rumours are bad, end of that discussion.

On a happier note - great weather for curing fibre glass on my new coils. Balance is magnificent and very very quiet. Now - onto the ground loop!!

 

[HeadsUp]

anyone here been around long enough for when the first PI (2000) rumours were getting about all those years ago? The price, ability and the possibility that VLFs would be obsolete was laughed at. Then the rumours of the 2200?? Discrimination!!! Wow - that was laughed at as well. Then the rumours of a 'fast track button' - chuckle chuckle - will never happen. Then, a mono based detector with lots and lots of settings??? You must be joking. If anyone had gone to the Laanacoorie Gold Bash recently in Vic (were we don't have deep big gold apparently) the new possibilities/price were most certainly spoken about, but as the general consensus is that any rumours are bad, end of that discussion.

On a happier note - great weather for curing fibre glass on my new coils. Balance is magnificent and very very quiet. Now - onto the ground loop!!

do i understand this right , have you made your own coils ?

 

[loamer]

yes I do with a couple of other blokes - we share the costs and R&D. lots of people make their own.

 

[HeadsUp]

yes I do with a couple of other blokes - we share the costs and R&D. lots of people make their own.

I did see a guy selling litz wire on eBay and I recall a copper specialist in brissie that sells the stuff in bulk only but you would probably already have a trade source for it , or are you using something else ?

I would like to make a 16 - 20 inch mono for the GPX5000 if someone has wire size , number of turns and other details like favoured methods for terminations and insulating /shielding the cable connections available

I might buy a skid plate and build the coil to its dimensions

Cheers

 

[HeadsUp]

The chipped coil has been on the table for a very long time. Minlab are trying to capture the accessory market. It may help pay for some fat cat salaries. $9000 yeh right! It will have to tell you what the target is. Imagine digging your first 3' deep target that is old timers tin can. I will stick to digging shallow targets for now. W.A. Would be a different story, however the hard ground will prove to be a challenge.
I always thought if a detector could go 3 to 4 feet deep, what size targets would it uncover. Imagine digging a massive hole for a 1/2 grammer. Remember most gold is small. A new top of the range detector is long over due so I will be interested to see the new technology.

Might be a topic for NAPFA

Approach our regulatory bodies and ask permission to use augers to excavate nuggets , Based on the fact it would reduce environmental intrusion issues

A 4 inch auger hole 3 feet deep is a very small hole compared to digging with a shovel the same depth

The hole would be 4 feet across to get the same depth

 

[Ryan27]

Maybe we will have to GPS record the targets and come back with some cheap labour, picks and shovels ?
It has been done before.

 

[Guest]

I don't know that we'll see large improvements in depth from this or any other new machine. Why?
I wonder how much deeper or better EMI shielding can be accomplished whilst still complying with:
"This device complies with part 15 of theFCCRules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation"
Just a thought - hopefully the techos have the solutions for us?
Seen some interesting comments awhile ago from some testing that was carried out in the US with various machines from SD's through to I think they used a GPX4500. In the soil over there, which is much more benign than ours, there was no discernable or any great difference in obtainable depth. A similar test in Australia but only from SD series through to a GP3500 found similar results from memory.
Where new technology has had a perceived "depth advantage", & this is just my opinion - not technically or scientically proven by me, is all to do with improvement in the fine audio adjustments & timings that allow the operator to hear what some older machines couldn't tell them in harsher ground due to noise.
How many times have you heard/seen someone who says that they reckon their old SD2200D etc. punches as deep or deeper than their new GPX in the right conditions? I reckon their right but the new machines win out in the more harsh ground by being able to deal with that & still produce a more recognisable/audible signal due to audio & timings improvements, not outright depth improvement?
The new machines obviously also have better audio & timings for other shallower/smaller gold in harsher ground conditions too.
Despite some not wanting to speculate etc. on the new machine I think the possibilities of what could be to come are too exciting not to discuss at some level. Imagine - a machine more capable than a GPX, better EMI shielding, more user friendly. Hmmm..... on second thoughts, maybe it's best not to have something like that in the hands of many. :lol:

 

[rc62burke]

I don't know that we'll see large improvements in depth from this or any other new machine. Why?
I wonder how much deeper or better EMI shielding can be accomplished whilst still complying with:
"This device complies with part 15 of theFCCRules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) This device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation"
Just a thought - hopefully the techos have the solutions for us?
Seen some interesting comments awhile ago from some testing that was carried out in the US with various machines from SD's through to I think they used a GPX4500. In the soil over there, which is much more benign than ours, there was no discernable or any great difference in obtainable depth. A similar test in Australia but only from SD series through to a GP3500 found similar results from memory.
Where new technology has had a perceived "depth advantage", & this is just my opinion - not technically or scientically proven by me, is all to do with improvement in the fine audio adjustments & timings that allow the operator to hear what some older machines couldn't tell them in harsher ground due to noise.
How many times have you heard/seen someone who says that they reckon their old SD2200D etc. punches as deep or deeper than their new GPX in the right conditions? I reckon their right but the new machines win out in the more harsh ground by being able to deal with that & still produce a more recognisable/audible signal due to audio & timings improvements, not outright depth improvement?
The new machines obviously also have better audio & timings for other shallower/smaller gold in harsher ground conditions too.
Despite some not wanting to speculate etc. on the new machine I think the possibilities of what could be to come are too exciting not to discuss at some level. Imagine - a machine more capable than a GPX, better EMI shielding, more user friendly. Hmmm..... on second thoughts, maybe it's best not to have something like that in the hands of many. :lol:

We have that now don't we SDC????
Lee

 

[rc62burke]

I think this is great news, the market will be flooded with secondhand detectors forcing the price down.

Maybe in the short term? Minelab PI's have a habit of maintaining reasonably good resale even after new product releases. Why? There is demand - even for older models. The price might drop initially but will most likely recover a bit once everything settles down. Still a good used 5000 might be obtainable for around $4000-4500 rather than $4500-5000?? Not everyone will be able to afford the new one straight up, including me
A lot of people that do buy straight away won't be in a hurry to get rid of their current machine either until they are 100% confident in what the new one is all about. Others will keep their current one as a backup also.

If I had just purchased a new GPX5000 I wouldn't be down about it at all - you still have a very capable & proven machine + the packages available are still good value at the moment. It also gives you a chance to use it & just sit back to see what happens with the new one?

All of the older Minelabs will still go on finding gold after any new machine is released - they won't stop suddenly :lol:

That date is looking promising 28/12/14 - just noticed the STC document says that the "confidentiality period requested is aligned to product release".

Just on this statement, does this product release generally mean, release for sale or product concept release with a delay in the item reaching stores???

Just due to the fact some are saying 12 to 24 months down the track, not a whole lot of sense here?????
I won't be able to afford one but I may be able to get in on a cheaper GPX 5000 ANYONE want to sell one NOW to avoid disappointment???

 

[Guest]

Lee you are kidding right
The SDC is better in particular circumstances, does have better EMI shielding & is more user friendly but as a complete, versatile option - well sensible people know the answer.

The statement I quoted on release is directly from the "Short Term Confidentiality Justification" letter signed by Minelabs Engineering Manager Philip Beck (link on first post).
In its entirety the statement reads:
"(b)(8) Confidentiality period requested is aligned to product release where the above materials will be available to the public."
Draw your own conclusion.

For the STC & other dates/documents go here:
http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/

Type in z4c for "Grantee Code". Click on "Summary" for ID Z4C-7000 & it will bring up a list of submitted documents. Where they are under STC there will be a date available next to it. Others are under permanent confidentiality like schematics for example.

 

[rc62burke]

Lee you are kidding right
The SDC is better in particular circumstances, does have better EMI shielding & is more user friendly but as a complete, versatile option - well sensible people know the answer.

The statement I quoted on release is directly from the "Short Term Confidentiality Justification" letter signed by Minelabs Engineering Manager Philip Beck (link on first post).
In its entirety the statement reads:
"(b)(8) Confidentiality period requested is aligned to product release where the above materials will be available to the public."
Draw your own conclusion.

Hey Mbasko

Well you see you did not mention a Complete versatile option in your post & of course I thought you may like a bit of light hearted fun, OFF COURSE I am kidding

Ahh that statement makes more sense, so we could potentially see a new product much sooner than 12 to 24 months?
cheers
all good fun mate, you bring some good info here!
Lee

 

[KarlS]

Although chipped coils may lead to the monopoly and overcharging, from engeenring point of view they make lot of sense. The signal from receive part of the coil is very small and it has to travel another 6 or so feet, pass thru connector, picking along all sorts of EMI noises and then it is amplified (so is the noise) and processed in the control box. The chipped coils have preamplifier building into the coil and this design greatly improve signal to noise ratio.
Karl

 

[heavymetal]

The rep from minelab said that the new machine will come out in the next 12 months. When asked if it would be a small upgrade from the GPX or a leap in technology he told us that it would be a big leap in technology so get ready to dig some huge holes ! He also mentioned that minelab are working on tech for other machines too such as coin and relic hunting machines. As for price he only said that the GPX price would be the minimum starting point.

 

[Bazz]

The Jupiter GPZ 7000

Is this the one that hunts nuggets around Uranus????? :8

Sorry !!!

Someone had to

 

[Blind_Freddie]

I was planning on getting GPX5000 next year, it was passed by the wife and all was good but now I think I'll hang out a little longer

 

[Guest]

The Minelab rep said it was "possible" to launch the new detector at next years PMAV AGM. This was in direct response to a question re this from PMAV Pres. Rita Bentley. So 12 months is the possible time for release. Not definite, just possible.
The leap in technology. I think he will look pretty stupid if its just a tweaked 5000. I don't think he is that silly.
Maybe pencil in the 2015 PMAV AGM and see what happens.

 

[stevo]

Well looking at the date of that report for the the Federal Communications Commission for minelab you can be pretty sure that whatever it is being tested could be easily a couple of years away from retail stores, stuff like this takes a long time to go through the throws, wont happen over night like some people think.

 

[Guest]

Looks like a definite 2015 release - what month? Slide from Codans October AGM: