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#1

rc62burke
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17 March 2014 01:16 pm

Hi All
After some recent discussion on this forum in regards to the use of "Sluices" in QLD (I believed they where legal) I contacted 2 Mining Warden offices in my area, I was informed of the following, Currently in QLD, you cannot use - River sluice, Highbanker, Dredge ( which includes a Yabby pump), Dryblower, Trommel. Only sieves & pans, what a load of crap!!!

(this is an extract from a post I made on another thread)

We may not like the laws that are put in front of us but that is what we have!!

I would like to hear "Opinions & Constructive Arguments" on this issue,  LETS NO GET INTO A FIGHT, I would like to build a case to put forth our case to review/ change the restrictive laws that control our hobby.

I believe that QLD's fossicking laws are to restrictive & require a huge overhaul.
I will be working on this for all QLD'ers this year, I think if we have a united voice & demonstrate the importance of our economic contribution to the smaller communities we may get some changes through.

I do feel that in the interim that all prospectors should conduct themselves so as to not draw attention to our hobby in a negative respect.

Once I get a bit organised I will be putting out a petition & will be asking for support from around the state.
cheers
Lee

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20xwater
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17 March 2014 01:42 pm

possible points to put forward...

maximum trommel barrel size...

maximum pump sizes and or electric only...

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XIV
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17 March 2014 01:44 pm

I will give you as much input and help I can give.
Cheers Kane


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G0lddigg@
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17 March 2014 01:50 pm

I cant find anything that states no sluices mate only no machinery that would allow a river sluice surely


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20xwater
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17 March 2014 03:00 pm

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to think my young bloke would be breaking the law if he used this to even load his gold pan! lol

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G0lddigg@
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17 March 2014 03:03 pm

lol neutral


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rc62burke
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17 March 2014 03:23 pm

G0lddigg@ wrote:

I cant find anything that states no sluices mate only no machinery that would allow a river sluice surely

Hey dig
One would think so, but like I said 2 separate offices said no go, whether they understand each piece of equipment is a different story, I intend to send these 2 offices an email which will contain a photo of each bit of equipment to get clarification in writing.
cheers
Lee

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G0lddigg@
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17 March 2014 03:46 pm

that would be good to see.  I might be moving back up that way at the end of the year be sad to close down my highbanker business and favourite hobby sad


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XIV
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17 March 2014 03:56 pm

G0lddigg@ wrote:

that would be good to see.  I might be moving back up that way at the end of the year be sad to close down my highbanker business and favourite hobby sad

if and when you get back up here it would be great to have your input on the matters up here
if not a great opportunity to catch up with a few more of you for an outing


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G0lddigg@
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17 March 2014 03:58 pm

of course mate ill get my hands dirty ive had plenty of experience dealing with council and tourism I know how to put a good case forward.  always good to meet with like minded people


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#11

TenOunce Tone
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17 March 2014 05:27 pm

If you need a hand Lee, let me know, more than willing to help out the cause. I understand that a sluice is ok, spoke to the mines dept in Mareeba and Townsville back in Nov 2013, they indicated that a sluice is ok. You cant use powered devices to dig or extract the gravel.

If you are on a lease you can use what you want to dig out the gravel as long as it is in the plan of operations and as long as it is not a dredge.

I will check with a few guys who may know better and see if things have changed in the past couple of months,

Given the new "expedited" approval process the Newman/Abbott govt have introduced, seems a lot of things are changing for the big boys, while once again hosing over the rest of the citizens.

Time for us NQ prospectors to make a stand I say!

This is the current fossicking information from DERM website.

http://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/fossi … -materials

Dont see anything saying you cant use a sluice. Its not mechanical

Link to the legislation and regs covering fossicking, I will have a good read of these tomorrow.

https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/Acts … s_SL_F.htm

Only thing is if they consider a sluice a fixed structure??  It is not permanent, I dont think this would pass the test of a reasonable man??
Cheers, Tone

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slowflow
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17 March 2014 05:59 pm

There is always a money trail when people travel, lots of small towns really benefit from tourists.
I hope you are granted some concessions that encourage prospecting with it's associated benefits to the community.

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17 March 2014 08:15 pm

rc62burke wrote:

Hi All

Once I get a bit organised I will be putting out a petition & will be asking for support from around the state.
cheers
Lee

hi lee
good on you lee,  i'll sign when you get something sorted.
don't forget to mention how much money prospectors spend when going away....I think the pollies like the thought of more money big_smile
regards tm

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17 March 2014 08:24 pm

Hi all, I normally just sit in the shadows but I will come out on this one.  I am from QLD and am hoping to get back up there at the end of this year, currently in VIC, I always thought that Dry blower, Trommel River sluice, High banker were ok but there seems to be some differing opinions.  I will keep an eye on this one and see what happens.

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17 March 2014 09:09 pm

queenslandaaaa!!!!


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RottenRon
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17 March 2014 10:11 pm

G0lddigg@ wrote:

that would be good to see.  I might be moving back up that way at the end of the year be sad to close down my highbanker business and favourite hobby sad

Hey ya ratbag,,,lol. Seems I'm not going to get away from you when I go back up to Qld as well.

All good. We'll have to catch up when we both get back.

I'll have to take the time to check out the links that Tone supplied, just to get some idea of the legislation up there. I never really too that much interest till I came down here and caught yellow fever.

By the way. I spoke to Rita, Pres. of the PMAV. The quote below on the front page of the Official Journal of the PMAV, Volume 33 No 1 Summer 2014, written by Rita. It is a summary of the proposed new Legislation due to be put before Vic. state parliament later this year.

"In addition Government has accepted that the use of sluices will not be permitted in these parks or any park areas where we are currently permitted. This includes river sluices that just use river flow to wash gravel. They have also changed the ban on "non-motorised" to "non-mechanical" tools; again in all parks."

I made a point to ask, and Rita clarified. This DOES include the current State Parks, not just the proposed 8 new areas within the National Parks and she should know. She's had consultations, made submissions and sent out info packs to many MPs. Hell, the PMAV even held an information session at Parliament House, and wouldn't you guess it, only 9 MPs turned up, even then, only for a few minutes. Weak as pizzz.

If you Queenslanders think you safe, beware. Check out what's happening down here in Vic. There's plenty of info on this forum at the moment.

All I can say is, there might be some strength in number, so support your Qld fossicker/ miner's group. God knows, the various Green groups have plenty of support. Don't miss the chance.

Cheers, Ron.


If you think you can,, or you think you can't,, you're probably right.  Minelab X Terra Dual Pack, Garret ATX Deepseekr (soon), Gold Tracker MD 20, Hi-banker, sluice, enthusiasm.

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TenOunce Tone
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18 March 2014 01:13 pm

Ok, I have rang the local Mines Office,
If you are operating under a FOSSICKING PERMIT I have been advised that you can only use hand tools, that is items you can carry with your hands, so shovel, pick, detector, pan.
 
Use of stand alone (sluice) or mechanically operated tools is prohibited, (Highbankers,  Trommel etc) even if you are hand feeding... is not allowed on general land.
 
I will be talking to the Registrar during the week, I will get confirmation of this.
 
What I was told if you want to use a sluice, highbanker or other mechanical aid, you need to be operating under a PROSPECTING PERMIT on a CLAIM!

Costs for getting a claim if you get EPM holder permission
 
Get a PROSPECTING PERMIT, $110.30 for three months,
Native title if not covered by ILUA starts around  $1500.00
Application fee for a ONE Hectare parcel. $330.90
Financial Assurance that may be held, (bond) from $500.00
Advertising costs for the notification start around $1000.00
 
Extra costs may be involved to access the land from the land holder, and extra native title costs.
 
So for around $5000.00 you can legally use a sluice in QLD if all things go your way.
 
Or find a friend with a lease or a claim!
 
A LOT of land owners and pastrolists are complaining to the Mines department about "Prospectors and Fossickers" doing damage to the land and disturbing the stock etc. Once again the few stuff it for the many.
 
Apparantly the legislation is under review and there are changes coming down the track.
 
No doubt the public will be squeezed out by the corporates and those who make up the intrests of the "Four pillars of the QLD Economy"

I will update after my discussion with the registrar

Cheers, Tone


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TenOunce Tone
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19 March 2014 11:10 am

Well I spoke to the mines guys today at the Mareeba office.  Sluice is not a hand tool.  Hand tools are defined in the Fossicking Act. I will post more when i get home.

Cheers, Tone


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19 March 2014 12:36 pm

dammit! i just had another look through the fossicking act

hand tool means—
(a) a pick, shovel, hammer, sieve, shaker, or electronic
detector; or
(b) a tool declared by regulation to be a hand tool.

so wheres the regulation declared tools.......still sounds like it will be decided on the day to me


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G0lddigg@
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19 March 2014 04:26 pm

just looking at organizations for QLD - looks like the qld prospecting club has got their S&%* together, although i'm even more confused because people are talking about highbankers pumps etc.
the club has property for prospecting smile  http://queenslandprospectingclub.org

any u blokes involved?


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#21

slowflow
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19 March 2014 04:45 pm

Bugger the greenies & dumb law makers, making uninformed decisions.

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TenOunce Tone
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19 March 2014 05:30 pm

Ok after speaking to Michael at the Mareeba office of the Mines Dept today, I can confirm the following:

Use of a sluice is prohibited under the Queensland Fossicking Act 1994.

You can use hand tools and these are described in Part one of the act, Preliminaries.
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Fossicking Act 1994
Part 1 Preliminary Page 9
hand tool means—
(a) a pick, shovel, hammer, sieve, shaker, or electronic detector; or
(b) a tool declared by regulation to be a hand tool.

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I did ask about a rocker box that is operated by hand and was told it would be ok. I will be taking the one I build for an inspection when complete to get the ok

If you have a device you want to use, I would suggest you get in contact with your local office and have them rule on its applicability, it may be decleared to be a hand tool!

You can use sluices, highbankers, if you are on a lease.

Cheers, Tone


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19 March 2014 06:05 pm

do what you want I say ops

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19 March 2014 08:13 pm

It all comes down to the interpretation of the pencil neck your talking to and their interpretation of the rules.
There are lot's of full time fossickers/prospectors who have had no issue re use of highbanker and have got the ok from the mines dept hence it is a very grey area and honestly better to noe poke and prod them too much otherwise they will be inclined to make this into black and white and ban all forms of sluices. (In reality a highbanker is just another version of a sluice)
I'm a mod on the Qld Prospectors site as is another member here and there are quite a few members actively involved in the forums here and as far as I know of nobody I know of has ever been told that using their highbanker or sluice is illegal.

At the end of the day it will always come down to the interpretation of the rules by an inspector,ranger etc and this grey issue isn't just Qld as it's just as muddy in other states.
Anyway that's my 2 cents worth and I wont stop highbanking until someone in authority tells me and proves to me that it's banned as all digging is done by hand and sluice or highbanker is processing the material.

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19 March 2014 10:34 pm

elrodeo wrote:

It all comes down to the interpretation of the pencil neck your talking to and their interpretation of the rules.
There are lot's of full time fossickers/prospectors who have had no issue re use of highbanker and have got the ok from the mines dept hence it is a very grey area and honestly better to noe poke and prod them too much otherwise they will be inclined to make this into black and white and ban all forms of sluices. (In reality a highbanker is just another version of a sluice)
I'm a mod on the Qld Prospectors site as is another member here and there are quite a few members actively involved in the forums here and as far as I know of nobody I know of has ever been told that using their highbanker or sluice is illegal.

At the end of the day it will always come down to the interpretation of the rules by an inspector,ranger etc and this grey issue isn't just Qld as it's just as muddy in other states.
Anyway that's my 2 cents worth and I wont stop highbanking until someone in authority tells me and proves to me that it's banned as all digging is done by hand and sluice or highbanker is processing the material.

Hey Elrodeo
Thanks for your input here, I know a few of the guys On QLD Prospectors have been doing a huge amount of work to get better access & good on you guy's for that.
I am annoyed with the restriction on us in this state However I am happy to take the lead from you guy's who have been doing the "Lobbying" if you think it could be counter productive to push this issue, can you please initiate some discussion with the guys at the front of the fight, Waz & Secret Squirrel (I have chatted to him a bit) in regards to if you think I should back off with this?????  would be interested to here some feed back, I will be joining your site.

cheers
Lee

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