Living with Electric Vehicles
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The life expectancy of modern EVs has been addressed. Comparing the 18650 lithium ion cells used in your detector to, for example, the BYD blade battery used in some Teslas and all BYD models is ridiculous. The chemistry, life expectancy and charging characteristics and not even close. Bit like comparing an ancient carbon electrode D cell to a modern alkaline cell. Just because the word lithium comes up as part of a name doesn't mean they are comparable.
Atto 3 battery warranty 8yr or 160,000km, expected life 20 years or 1.2 Million km.
Some people have no real interest in EVs other than regurgitating anti EV propaganda. Let's not do that here.
Atto 3 battery warranty 8yr or 160,000km, expected life 20 years or 1.2 Million km.
Some people have no real interest in EVs other than regurgitating anti EV propaganda. Let's not do that here.
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Hi Matthm,
I don't usually get involved in this type of discussion however from the tone of your last sentence I thought why not
.You are obviously a convert because you own an EV and sometime in the future we will all no doubt own one, lets call that inevitable. However a lot and I mean a lot of people like me need a little more convincing, thus we are prone to asking questions that may erk some of the current converts. I for one have read a lot on EV's but feel you get better information from those who have purchased an EV.
My point would be don't assume people are negative, maybe they, like me are just asking questions that need answers to help them understand.
After all we don't all only drive around the city and I am a little too impatient to be spending an hour or so every 400k or so charging a battery.
I have recently done a trip from Melbourne to as far as Kununarra and back and will be doing in the new year Melbourne to Geraldton and back in a Mazda 5. I should say no problems on my first trip so fingers crossed.
How do you think you would go doing such a trip in an EV? I would have concerns around charging ( both finding charging stations and time charging) and I have also read that EV's don't come with spare tyres?.
While I understand that from new an EV will most likely last longer than me
what becomes of it when its battery dies, after all I am fully recyclable.
.I believe Mazda are going to release a hybrid cx5 next year which may be my contribution to cutting pollution unless someone can convince me of a better option to suit my needs.
I have no problem with with EV's, especially for shorter trip use where you can plug into your solar at home to charge them up and would be close to help if you had a flat tyre. Not sure how I would go sitting on the side of a highway if I ran out of charge or got a flat
.Just my two bobs (excuse the pun) worth, from an old and grumpy me.
Cheers
Bob
Your post is a good example of why it's difficult for the rest of us to separate the sincere questioners from the negative ones, given that most of what you are asking has already been addressed previously in this thread. And repeatedly referring to EV owners as "converts" doesn't help your case any.
Personally, I wasn't aware that Mazda 5's came with proper spare tyres nowadays, so that was interesting to learn.
Likewise lets not regurgitate pro EV propaganda.
While most reputable EV manufacturers have an 8 year/160000km warranty I believe not all do?
Reputable manufacturers are also only guaranteeing the battery will have above or around ~70% capacity after 8 years (450km drops somewhere between that down to 315km) & possibly down to ~60% thereafter as battery degradation increases (not sure what the replacement recommendation is but 60% would be getting close no?).
Expected life 20 years or 1.2 million km? No reputable manufacturer is saying that that I can see. Most say they should last between 10 to 20 years with battery degradation between about 2.6 to 4.5%/year (which is pretty good really), so lower km's each year of service until unserviceable.
I think if you got 20 years out of them you'd be doing exceedingly well & likely travelling low km's?
why I rarely get involved in any discussions as most miss the point.By the way the Mazda 5 does not have a full size spare however the wheel well will fit one with very little alteration to the floor height which I would recommend to anyone travelling
I'm still on the fence here.
Yes i'm a questioner a bit old fashioned, buyer beware, and that's ok.
We recently learned that ford in the US has lost $4.5 billion on there EV line.
Over 3,000 car dealers have pleaded with Joe Biden to please stop forcing them to sell a product that nobody wants to buy.
Ford have halved their F150 EV production.
The demand is just not there.
Yes i'm a questioner a bit old fashioned, buyer beware, and that's ok.
We recently learned that ford in the US has lost $4.5 billion on there EV line.
Over 3,000 car dealers have pleaded with Joe Biden to please stop forcing them to sell a product that nobody wants to buy.
Ford have halved their F150 EV production.
The demand is just not there.
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I’ve attached a wiki link to a doco I watched on fox long before teslas, definitely worth a watch, had me scratching my head back then and will make you wonder why it’s took decades for EVs to become available.
Our power grids the only thing stopping me for the change, WA wasn’t ready for solar or EVs, 5kw ain’t enough for a family home and battery pricing not worth it at the moment.
I did see on telly the other day I think lit was LG house battery’s being recalled due to fire issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car?
Our power grids the only thing stopping me for the change, WA wasn’t ready for solar or EVs, 5kw ain’t enough for a family home and battery pricing not worth it at the moment.
I did see on telly the other day I think lit was LG house battery’s being recalled due to fire issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car?
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Not the doco, but a interview with the producer.
This bloke must have had an E type Jag as an escort towing a gen set with a Tesla charger in the back.
1,355k a day plus charging time. Not impossible but suicidal.
The map showing all the charging stations? The green dots are proposed chargers they don't exist yet.
Don't believe anything you see on the internet. Buyer beware.
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Can't find a link to a map with details showing where he charged or as you are suggesting didn't really charge linked in the article. Could you point it out or link pls. I'm sure I have just missed it.
https://expeditionaustralia.com.au/... fact the record for,13 hours and 43 minutes.Guess these guys did it safely because they were in an ICE powered vehicle?
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Im curious to know who owns the power stations being built and does the price to charge your car fluctuate up and down like a brides nightie as with fuel pricing.
Tesla built many of the original recharge stations and continues to expand its fleet (other vehicle brands can also access them) and several specialist recharge station companies are also expanding coverage in more populous areas and along major highways in the eastern states. The NRMA is building out a big number of more remote stations on behalf of the federal government and various state governments, motoring associations and energy suppliers are also rolling out stations.
No, not because they were in a combustion engine vehicle but rather they were a group of four so just 6hrs each of shared driving per day (less fuel + food stops).
The EV driver did between 12-18hrs per day reportedly by himself.
The combustion engine vehicle was also able to do the full Highway One route whereas the EV took 2x detours from it (dirt road section NT to Qld & the Victorian coastal route). About an extra 1000km.
I'm assuming that the base price will rise in line with any electricity price rises at charging stations? Obviously the cost you pay at home is whatever you pay & can be free (solar/battery storage) up to ~38c/kWh depending on time of day + location.
An EV charging station price comparison from October 2023 shows prices vary from 0.45c/kWh to 0.85c/kWh depending on charging station supplier & location. Some sites change pricing depending on the time of day & demand (variable pricing).
Some also charge "idling fees" for overstaying once charged Example is Tesla charge $0.50 per minute charge when the location is at least half full or $1.00 per minute when fully occupied. The overstay fee starts if the vehicle is plugged-in – but finished charging – after five minutes.
It will be interesting to see if the per kWh price rises once Government assistance with charging station installs etc. ends & also by how much once they start to need to replace fossil fuel excise with a "green" fuel excise to keep the coffers full?
