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LoneWolf said:
That's What I have been saying all along... Enough Meetings... Time for Action on the Streets .. That IS the Only way to be Noticed.. :cool:

LW....
And its got to be done in numbers and LOUD :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
There is a survey doing the rounds of sites including PA and started by Golddigg ( well done mate!) that is gathering information that can be used by organisations such as NAPFA in their dealings with government. The information from that survey gives real quantum to the many issues people feel about this hobby and it's hard for anyone (including government departments) to dispute real data

I am pretty sure that not many members have yet completed that survey...not sure why, as it's a great vehicle to voice opinions on what matters to fellow prospectors.

Some days ago, the survey was a bit under a thousand responses...which is great.... but a whole lot less than the number of members and visitors who participate and read on this forum.

So...some members (rightly) expressing concern about the ban on highbanking...yet many members not yet expressing their concerns in a survey. Bit weird.

Maybe the ban on highbanking in NSW is not as heartfelt for most as we think???
 
We at NAPFA are working on it.
We are currently putting it together and will
be letting you all know shortly. :) :)
We need the numbers to make a big enough impact so please,
If you want this to move ahead, We need you.
Also we have not been sitting on the side lines watching,
As with any process, There has to be a systematic approach to change
and that takes time and a lot of effort.

Doug.
 
We cant highbank but they can dredge the ocean for the Commonwealth games. City of Gold Coast
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Gold Coast Beach Nourishment Project

City of Gold Coast is delivering a major beach nourishment project from June to October 2017. The Gold Coast Beach Nourishment Project (GCBNP) aims to increase the volume of sand available along vulnerable sections of our coastline to buffer against future storms and coastal erosion.

The GCBNP is part of the Ocean Beaches Strategy 2013-2023, ensuring our beaches are clean, healthy, safe and accessible now and into the future. It will also ensure that our beaches will be in the best possible condition for the 2018 Commonwealth Games.

Find answers to frequently asked questions about our beach nourishment project below.

Beach nourishment schedule*

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Date Location
Tuesday 15 August Miami Beach Hythe Street
Wednesday 16 August Miami Beach Santa Monica Road
Thursday 17 August Miami Beach Kelly Avenue
Friday 18 August Mermaid Beach Surf Street
Saturday 19 August Miami Beach Hythe Street
Sunday 20 August Mermaid Beach Chairlift Avenue
Monday 21 August Mermaid Beach Dudley Street
Tuesday 22 August Broadbeach Margaret Avenue
Wednesday 23 August Broadbeach Second Avenue
Thursday 24 August Surfers Paradise Clifford Street
Friday 25 August Surfers Paradise Thornton Stree
Saturday 26 August Surfers Paradise Thornton Street
Sunday 27 August Broadbeach Margaret Avenue
Monday 28 August Miami Beach Santa Monica Road
*This is an estimated schedule. Works are weather dependent.

Beach nourishment progress by suburb

Total percentage of sand delivered: 45 per cent as of 11 August 2017.

Surfers Paradise

Broadbeach

Mermaid Beach

Miami Beach

Palm Beach

Project update August 2017

An international dredging and beach nourishment tender was advertised from October to November 2016. The contract was awarded to RN Dredging Pty Ltd in March 2017.

The surveying of the seabed is continuing during the works.

The beach nourishment works are scheduled to take place from mid-June to mid-October 2017.

Sand will be placed in two locations:

Sand will be placed in shallow areas around the wave breaking zone. This type of nourishment will have an effect on beach widening following placement, and will have the greatest influence on surfing amenity. Sand will be placed in patterns to replicate natural rhythmic sand bar formations.
Sand will be placed further offshore in deeper areas. This nourishment will move more slowly with natural processes, and provide a long term benefit for coastal protection by increasing the volume of sand along the coastline.
Beach nourishment history

Nourishment locations

Project aims

Project method

Stakeholder engagement

More information

For more information on the Gold Coast Beach Nourishment Project, download the fact sheet (PDF 240kb), or email: [email protected]

Beach Nourishment - Before
Before nourishment works
Narrowneck, 1998, low tide

Beach Nourishment - After
After nourishment works

Gold Coast Beach Nourishment Project - footage courtesy of Nine Gold Coast News

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Frequently asked questions

What is beach nourishment?

Beach nourishment (also referred to as beach replenishment) is the process by which sand is added to the beach from other locations. The sand acts as a buffer that provides protection from coastal erosion during weather events.

How long will the dredge be operating on the Gold Coast?

The dredge will be operating from 16 June 2017 until mid-October 2017.

How much is the City spending on beach nourishment?

The City is committed to ensuring our beach amenity is maintained and that our infrastructure is protected from coastal hazards. The City will be investing $13.9 million dollars to undertake these nourishment works using a specialist beach nourishment contractor.

What does the beach nourishment project involve?

The project will involve offshore dredging by a specialised vessel. The vessel will take approximately three million cubic metres of clean sand from our offshore sand reserve closer to the shoreline in order to restore, protect and widen the beach. The nourishment will provide enhanced beach amenity for the Gold Coast community, and increase shoreline protection to withstand high energy weather events.

What is sand rainbowing?

Sand rainbowing is where a sand/water mixture is projected from the bow of the vessel and placed close to the wave breaking zone.

How will I be impacted by this project?

The vessel will operate 24 hours a day for about 16 weeks and will nourish our most vulnerable beaches. This will have minimal impact on beach users. Ocean users are prohibited from going near the dredge and associated works for safety reasons.

Is this method safe for marine wildlife?

The project has been assessed by federal and state governmental agencies to make sure it meets strict environmental approval requirements under the environmental legislation. This includes assessment under the Environmental Protections and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 to ensure the activity is safe for marine wildlife, and the Coastal Protection and Management Act 1995 to ensure that the work will not negatively impact our coastal environment.

Will water quality be affected by this project?

This activity will not affect the water quality; however there may be localised, temporary changes in water clarity where the sand is being placed. These changes are typically less noticeable than those seen during large rainfall or swell events.

Where will the sand be placed?

Sand will be placed in two locations:

1. Sand will be placed in shallow areas around the wave breaking zone. This type of nourishment will have an immediate effect on beach widening, and will have the greatest influence on surfing amenity. Sand will be placed in patterns to replicate natural rhythmic sand bar formations, which are known to improve surfing opportunities.

2. Sand will be placed further offshore in deeper areas. This nourishment will move more slowly with natural processes, and provide a long-term benefit for coastal protection by increasing the total volume of sand along the coastline.

How long will it take for the sand to move around (response cycle)?

Generally, sand moves at different rates depending on where it is in the beach profile (above and below the surf zone). The sand deposited around the wave breaking zone is expected to move onshore within weeks, whereas the sand deposited offshore in deeper areas could take months or years.

How does this project link to the Gold Coast Surf Management Plan?

As part of the planning and design phase for the nourishment works, the City has investigated how sand can be placed to mimic natural sand bar formations known to promote good surfing conditions. The placement of sand by the contractor will use patterns that mimic these natural sand bars.

How much sand will be placed each week and where?

The amount of sand placed each week will depend on weather conditions. Please keep an eye on our website for an updated schedule. It is estimated that 200,000 to 300,000 cubic metres will be deposited each week.

What impacts/benefits will the sand provide long term?

The sand will provide the beach with long-term protection from storm events.

Are there safety issues for ocean users while the works are undertaken?

The dredge will be operating under local laws and regulations which include safety requirements. The project is working to a safety management plan which addresses safety risks. All ocean users are urged to stay away from the dredge at all times.

What is the effect on boat users?

There will be a large dredge vessel operating in compliance with maritime safety laws within Queensland. Boat users are urged to stay well away from the dredge for safety reasons.

What are the impacts for sharks and marine life when theres turbid water?

Turbidity is temporary and short term. Comparatively, the dredge will produce far less turbidity than you see after rain events or prolonged northerly wave conditions.

Will rips and currents form as a result of operation?

The sand placement will replicate natural sand bar formations - it will not create excessive rips or currents.

What processes and procedures are in place for whales?

The project is being undertaken in adherence to strict environmental protocols and a stringent approval processes has been met. Management procedures for whales are in place and the dredging contractor is complying with the Australian National Guidelines for Whale and Dolphin Watching 2005.

What happens if a whale is sighted?

The dredge master is responsible for maintaining an appropriate buffer zone with respect to marine fauna. The white whale, Migaloo, will be tracked through regular communication with the White Whale Research Centre and dredging is to cease when Migaloo is within one kilometre of the vessel.

Are there any dedicated crews watching out for whales?

A fauna 'watch keeping' reporting system is in operation, obliging all crew members to report marine mammal observations for the duration of the project. All crew members have been trained by a marine biologist on the detailed and various species of marine mammals known to enter Gold Coast waters and how to report observations thoroughly.

The various expected behaviours of each marine mammal were also specified. Further to this, there are two dedicated officers on the vessel who maintain 24/7 'watch keeping' from an elevated section of the dredge. In order to maintain the awareness and familiarity of the various species to be expected in the waters around the work area, pictures of the species and pictures of the various species behaviours have been posted in the mess on-board the dredge.

Why is the project being undertaken in whale season?

The reason this project is being undertaken from June to October is that wave conditions are milder during this period than during summer and autumn. This means that the dredge can work safely, subject to fewer weather delays.

Will the sand wash away in the next storm?

Sand naturally moves from the shallow areas of the beach into deeper water during storm events. This sand is not lost, and slowly moves back to the top of the beach under calmer conditions. The sand nourishment will provide additional sand that will move in the same way under this natural process. This sand will increase our buffer against future storm events.

Why not let 'Mother Nature' take control?

The historical pattern of development in the City has resulted in buildings and infrastructure being located within the area of the coastline that naturally experiences coastal erosion. If 'Mother Nature' was to do its thing, erosion of the beach would not only threaten out coastal development, but also mean that we simply wouldn't have a wide, usable beach. Ongoing coastal protection works are required to be undertaken (such as beach nourishment), to ensure there is a sandy beach the very icon of the Gold Coast into the future.

Is this project value for money?

Most taxpayers who live on the Gold Coast value their beaches. Our beaches are at the core of our lifestyle and economy and the City attracts 12 million tourists each year.

By ensuring our beaches are protected from future storm events by nourishing them with sand, ensures that our city stays in the condition it is known for. Investing in our biggest asset, our beaches, is an investment into our city's future.

Why does the sand being projected from the dredge (rainbowed) look dark in colour?

The sand being rainbowed may look dark in colour, but it is clean , wet sand that has been underwater for hundreds if not thousands of years. Once it is exposed to sunlight and weather, the colour naturally changes to what we currently see on our beaches.

The City has undertaken extensive sediment testing for the offshore areas which will provide sand for nourishment. This information shows that the sand is clean and suitable for use on the beach.

What evidence is there that this project will work?

The Gold Coast beaches have endured a number of significant storm events in recorded history which have often resulted in serious coastal erosion. Analysis of 40 years of historical monitoring data has concluded that this vulnerability to erosion and storm damage will not be mitigated through natural sand movement alone.

Beach nourishment projects have been undertaken on the Gold Coast since the 1960s. They are designed to mimic natural coastal processes and allow sand to shift continuously in response to changing waves and water levels.

Does this project have anything to do with the proposed cruise ship terminal?

This beach nourishment project has no affiliation with the proposed Cruise Ship Terminal. Sand Nourishment will not take place north of Narrowneck.

How will the project affect the benthic environment?

During the project planning stage, approval stage and now during the execution stage it is established that the Palm Beach Reef and the Mermaid Reef support a diverse benthic environment and are of highest ecological value along the project area. Approvals were granted for borrowing sand and placing sand only in areas located at a safe distance from these reefs. During the execution stage the City is monitoring water quality at the sensitive receptors (including of turbidity, suspended sediment, pH, etc.), particularly when dredging occurs up-current of the reefs to assess the project compliance with the water quality objectives outlined in the permits. This is in line with the project's Environmental Management Plan (EMP). You may have noticed the Environmental specialist survey vessel working alongside the dredge vessel undertaking monitoring. Environmental monitoring shows that the project is meeting the environmental conditions outlined in the environmental approval.

How will the sand placement affect the natural reef at Mermaid Beach?

Sand nourishment will only be placed in and around the surf zone. This will ensure that sand moves along the coast with natural processes and does not move onto the natural reef system at Mermaid Beach. The total quantity of sand has been designed to work with the natural sand transport system at Mermaid Beach and not overfill the nearshore, which could result in excessive sand movement toward natural reef systems. The City will be undertaking ongoing monitoring to ensure that sand placement remains in the natural sand transport system.

Will sand placement affect water quality and marine life on the natural reef at Mermaid Beach?

The City has worked with Federal and State approval agencies to develop stringent environmental controls for the works. The Environmental Management Plan for the works includes ongoing water quality and sediment testing, as well as analysis to ensure that the works do not negatively impact water quality and marine life. Changes in water clarity during the works will be temporary in nature, and be significantly less than natural changes seen during rainfall events and periods of large swell.

Will the sand be toxic to marine life?

The City has undertaken extensive sediment testing for the offshore areas which will provide sand for nourishment. This information shows that the sand is clean and suitable for use on our beaches. The sediment testing also formed part of State agency approval requirements and results have been used to develop the Environmental Management Plan for the works.

External links

Rohde Nielsen Dredging Pty Ltd
Brochures, fact sheets & reports

Gold Coast beach nourishment project - video transcript
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Council of the City of Gold Coast
 
Here is the Dredge in action....
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To repair This...
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Here on the Gold Coast We rely on Tourism... That means having Pristine Beaches... Especially for the Commonwealth Games next year... After Cyclone Debbie, our Beaches took a battering...

LW....
 
My soap box of hypocrisy with my 2 cents worth which perplexes me with a multitude of issues of my Newly found hobby which I'm fond of:-
1 year experience n still know nothing call me ignorant I'm fine with that I'm 34 young n dumb there's no denying it. I'm sure to fire up someone here right now.
1stly) I bought a HB 6 months ago was not told it was illegal on purchase. Later found that out from people in the field.
2ndly)Do I love the environment n all natural things in it yes. But do I see real care in place from our government n all extremities ie, NPs,EPA, councils etc. No. eg: lantana,cats decimate wildlife, goats rabbits foxes n the list of ferals go on. pigs do more damage then us. Lol
3rdly) Do I feel HBs do damage. Yes in the way of clay silts alter natural river bed hieghts. This is visually evident. Do I feel Dredges combat this, absolutely is there evidence of this through tests in the Bathurst area I've heard.
4thly)Is the alterations of river bed heights affecting wildlife. I work oallens there are still native crayfish that exfoliate your feet as you pan off n 3 weeks ago I saw a platypus, 2 creatures that need pristiness to survive.
5thly)Is there policing of HBs by authorities. I've not come across it an await the day as I have my fine sitting there ready to pay in the event I get caught but will take it to court.
My msg is what if we 50 prospectors all turned up with pumps on side by side we all made calls to authorities they'd have no choice to respond n we had the media there ready to film. In Canada years ago when speed cameras were introduced the people came together all sped through n all got fines n took it to court jamming court systems forcing the government to abolish n they won.
I'm out of breath n won't be stopping HB in Nsw catch me if you can.
Someone fire up n correct me if I'm wrong. C'mon Lleyton!!!(screamed loud). I feel better n vented already. So get off your bloody soapboxes n take pen to paper. New saying. "The Keyboard is mightier then the sword"write a letter to the minister.Apologies for being a long winded post.
 
We understand your frustration.

1. There is a lot of evidence for Dredging. It was banned by 1 Vote. That is the way it is.
2. High Banking via a water pump was a "Grey " area. Starting from the end of this month, It is going to be enforced.
3. Not a good idea to go to Court. If you loose, It will set an even harder precedence to over turn the regulation.
4. High Banking causes very little short term impact to the environment. If any. Set up properly so you can filter back through sand or have a settling pond.
5. Too many letters not worded correctly will in actual fact, Piss the Regulator's off even more.
6. Get behind us with NAPFA and invite your fossicking Mates along as well.
 
I agree with doug on this
Number 3 if you have your banker set up properly then no crap or mud should enter the water way at all
A sluice will put more crap into the water then anything i have done with my banker and they are legal
I have seen mud trails going down river with people using a sluice on many an occasion
It has always been written that you cant use HB but it has also been a grey area with the pump
Am i willing to cop a fine NO i work to hard for my money just to throw it away trying to prove a point that you never win
Am i willing to go to court NO they have a lot more money to spend on barristers etc ect then i would ever have
Lastly leave it in NAPFA capable hands and follow their lead when they ask for help IE join the organization and boost their numbers
Rant over ]:D
 
Jum

a feel your frustration.

Some of us in Qld (where high banking using power operated water pumps is illegal) have just found that one of our private properties that allowed high banking has banned it because of the actions of a few di%* heads. Nowhere else to go in QLD. It's a bummer.

There is something you can do... and that is to complete a short survey (abt 10 minutes) where the data will be used by prospecting organisations in their dealings with government.

The survey is at;
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/OurRights

Copy and paste that into your web browser and you should get to it.

For Mods or others reading my post..is there anything we can do to push this survey...still around a thousand responses from a PA membership of 10,000...makes you wonder

thanks
Mike
 
We have a lot of members here Mike but a lot aren't active here. Would be good if a few more did the survey though. 1000 is pretty good though I reckon.
 
Wow what fast responses. Thanks tathradj and others love how much passion you all have. Now I know there is division in my short time I've come accross prospectors not everyone is on board with NAPFA. But most are on board with with the issue. So how does NAPFA assist here so that those that want to help can do there bit to try for action.
True Story time.
When I was 15 yrs old 1994ish I belonged to Herpetological (study of Reptiles) Society's. It was illegal to keep reptiles in NSW. I was 1 of 10000 people who wrote 65000 letters to the minister of environment demanding a liscencing system that we now have today it took 3yrs but we did it. An amnesty took place n people declared what they had. Nowadays you can go into a pet shop n buy a reptile which happened only 4 years ago. How we did it the main associations divised a single well written letter demanding change which we copied and we all sent the same letter plus our own individual letter. It was monumentus when I received a letter back from the minister. Way before email so this should be easier. So what I'm saying is we can do the same. So I urge NAPFA to write this letter for people to copy n paste n send simples. And for those non NAPFA supporters should still send same letter NAPFA puts out ( hypothetically speaking) plus their own stating something like the ramifications of this ban in a non threatening way with all the reason why the ban should be lifted. Which would give more numbers to support NAPFA's agenda. That is 1 way how I see NAPFA can gather support directly n indirectly. My intent here is just some food for thought or take it as a grain of salt. So maybe the same actions won't transfer exactly as with reptile liscenses. Maybe I've just been over thinking it all. This ban will have a worse ripple effect as i believe for me HBing will become my summer hobby that I'll perform at night outside of work hours of authorities that will be policing this. So will people stop no just find another way. What am I saying gees how silly do I feel right now. I should be saying guys high banking will be illegal n policed soon so stop you'll only make things harder for everyone. Anyone want a GS23. LOL just kidding. Last point I want to make and the moral of my terrible speel. Is this ban is ridiculous not well thought through a bandaid for a deep cut that requires stitches. I thought when I got into this I could go to crown lands after floods n get some yella. I'm not everyone but if I'm now thinking well I'll just throw my HB in my kayak go down or up stream where the gold is better anyway. Then others will be thinking the same. As I'm not goin to stop. But can you imagine how bad this will be for prospecting full stop when property owners who think they own the river start winghing. That is one valid point I make why this ban shouldn't go ahead. Now is the time for action people whether you support NAPFA or not. Support prospecting Nsw even other state prospectors can act on Nsw behalf.
I know I sound like cowboy Jum.
On a lighter funnier note I'll end with. This means panning is illegal too then the moment you throw water in a pan give a swirl it becomes hydraulic lol.
 
Yeah I reckon I've seen 1 percent of prospectors set up correctly addmittedly I'm not in that 1 percent but I try. I don't own a dredge but firmly believe dredges would environmentally help things as it's been found out that due to Australias extensive logging from our pioneers for farming the cattle 200 years of erosion has caused irreversible damage altering our rivers hurting wildlife dredging could help restore as it has been done elsewhere in the world. I would never ever considered obtaining a dredge. But F$$$ it. I feel like a dangerous animal here backed into a corner here with this ban and feel like getting one as every 2nd bloke n his dog seem to have one. NAPFA keep up the good work. I'll be watching I'd love to support you but as it stands I've met too many retired blokes out there whom I consider to be the respected elders of this game who influenced my view differently would love to join though but just can't. On the fence time will tell. This is why NAPFA struggle with numbers as I understand have shot themselves in the foot. Tell it like is jum. Tathradj no offence as I know your input n support for the game has been immeasurable n efforts don't even move the scales.
 
Is there anyway the forum can group email every member with an explaination and all the necessary links to the surveys ect ?
Its either a easy task or a impossible nightmare that wont happen.
 
Jum,
Dare I might say it but politics work in a very different way with an issue like this.
Also my friend, You make the situation worse by admitting you are still going to High Bank
"Under the Radar. "

If you get pinged , I hope you are not that far upstream as you will have to swim back and then,
Walk Home as your Car will be gone as well.
Then if it goes to court, Maybe you would consider living in a tent for a while.
Finally, In court if you are convicted, You have then set a precedence that we all will suffer for.

I like your enthusiasm and Thank You Sirbut it is misdirected in this instance.
And also finally, As for your comment we at NAPFA have shot ourselves in the foot,
That would be aimed at all the members as well.

Doug
PROUD Committee Member and Fossicker.
Plus Moderator. ]:D ]:D
 
Hey not scared of walking ever heard of hitching home. I did an apprenticeship with my father n for four years I at least once a month I'd quit or get fired n walk over 30 kms to get home one time I chucked my boots at him and walked home barefoot I probably walked over 5000km over that time. But the boy I was at 15 is the man I've become today. Also have u heard of phones I'd use one to be picked up. I'm done walking. Also spent 25 years rock climbing n have walked days just to get to rock. As for losing the car I'd buy another as ive made my fortune that's why I'm prospecting I don't know what to do with my self. That's my truth which is different to your truth that's why we've been put on this rock to share our truths not judge them. I know i don't stand alone here unlike napfa( refusing to put into capital letters now).
Anyway I'm happy there banned more gold for me but I don't think so as the consensus from asking everyone one I meet is THEY ARE NOT STOPPING!!!!! Im just in a minority happy to voice it. Lost my vote. I hope I meet you in the field tadradj some day to diplomacally discuss it.
Don't lie cheat or steal the government hates competition is my motto. Please keep trying to persuade me I'm all eyes here. Rant done I'm goin back into the hole I crawled out of n using this site productively which is to learn more.
 
About the shooting of the foot comment has obviously fired you up. I apologise it's not very productive n distasteful here on this thread I know. As to my limited experience n opinions they are are still continually forming so type something that will broaden my view I'll let you know when you do. As to being offensive to all napfa member is not my intent here it's to fire member n no members alike for collaborative action for the benefit of us all and you'd be foolish n naive to assume your in a majority more like 10:1 minority. The other 9 are to busy digging n swinging n swirling to care for all the arm chair critics. I hope we are still friends as you put it. If had of met more napfa members out there I'd probably already be a member. Due to peer pressure. Seems like I would be welcomed anyway.
 

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