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#1

Wishfull
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From: Yorke Peninsla S.A., SA
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17 June 2017 11:47 pm

Anyone had any problems with EL Falcon wagon head lights not working all of a sudden.
There doesn't seem to be a fuse for the headlights.
So I am thinking maybe a relay somewhere maybe by the battery has cacked itself ?
The dash lights went out a while back but that was a fuse. Just seems strange there isn't a fuse or circuit breaker somewhere.

Last edited by Wishfull (17 June 2017 11:48 pm)


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Tathradj
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17 June 2017 11:51 pm

Most likely the switch gear at the steering wheel.
Trafficator switch.
Do you have a set of driving lights fitted. ?
I used to own one and it was the best darn ex Taxi I ever owned.
Duel fuel with 600,000 Odd K's on it.
I put another 150,000 on it before it fell to pieces.


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#3

Wishfull
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18 June 2017 12:20 am

Just had a light bar fitted actually. The standard lights are old beetle Volkswagen standard .
Good thinking. I will blow the switch out tomorrow with compessed air. Bluebird Nissans had that problem with their headlights Mine has the gas tank removed. Hope that's all it is. I hate electrical problems on csrs. Just glad it didn't happen coming home from the prospecting trip last wk end at night.


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B5MECH
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18 June 2017 01:43 am

big_smile Sorry Wishful tongue gone swing'n tongue
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Let me know if you need some tech info...I'm a FORD Specialist..but not tonight tongue
.............. yikes You got an EL hey tongue cool thumbsup ...should got the 5 liter option the lights never fail lol thumbsup
List what's not working and I'll read tomorrow tongue
yikes And what was fitted? yikes
Go through your fuse box and check ALL roll and again and once more tongue ..keep ya busy lol thumbsup
Might of fried the head light relay but the dash lights are different...only swap for the exact same one [relay] roll thumbsup
Did you check....... roll ..you didn't dim the dash out...seen a lot of customers that did and roll ..... roll check tongue

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Occasional_panner
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18 June 2017 09:38 am

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Looks like the green one mate.


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#6

Shep
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18 June 2017 10:19 am

I have a EF I am stripping out to drag race and the only way it will start is to hold the key on and punch the dash at the same time. Must be common as that was the answer from google. So all I can suggest is to punch the dash big_smile

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Wishfull
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18 June 2017 12:23 pm

B5MECH wrote:

big_smile Sorry Wishful tongue gone swing'n tongue
https://boldandfab.files.wordpress.com/ … -tough.jpg
Let me know if you need some tech info...I'm a FORD Specialist..but not tonight tongue
.............. yikes You got an EL hey tongue cool thumbsup ...should got the 5 liter option the lights never fail lol thumbsup
List what's not working and I'll read tomorrow tongue
yikes And what was fitted? yikes
Go through your fuse box and check ALL roll and again and once more tongue ..keep ya busy lol thumbsup
Might of fried the head light relay but the dash lights are different...only swap for the exact same one [relay] roll thumbsup
Did you check....... roll ..you didn't dim the dash out...seen a lot of customers that did and roll ..... roll check tongue

Like I said the dash lights were just a fuse blown. I have pulled out all the fuses on rhs of dash and all were good. The parkers and tail lights all work. It's only the high and low beam headlights not working.
Today sometime I will go and grab another couple of relays off my old xr6 and see if that does the trick.

I did have a light bar fitted weeks ago. It was done properly with a relay and separate on off switch and feeding off of high beam.

Last edited by Wishfull (18 June 2017 12:25 pm)


Me..GOLD, GOLD...Boss Mmmm do you think we have the right man for the job ?
Turbo gold pan, Ancient 1996 Garret Scorpion gold stinger, Minelab GPX 4500, SDC2300, Detecnix wader Li pinpointer, home made pick, 750 mm Walco pick, understanding wife, most of the time.

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madtuna
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18 June 2017 12:59 pm

My mum could fix anything from a flat tyre, flat battery, jammed seat belt, over heating, no head lights to running out of fuel by popping the bonnet and smacking the battery terminals with her shoe! big_smile

Give that a shot thumbsup

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#9

B5MECH
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18 June 2017 02:50 pm

Shep wrote:

I have a EF I am stripping out to drag race and the only way it will start is to hold the key on and punch the dash at the same time. Must be common as that was the answer from google. So all I can suggest is to punch the dash big_smile

lol lol lol Your BEM module is faulty lol lol thumbsup ...Want a cheats fix tongue there is a special relay that will by pass the BEM tongue
Edit....you'll have to fix it sooner or later.......can only punch that dash so many times til it leaves you needing a tow truck tongue

Last edited by B5MECH (18 June 2017 03:26 pm)


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..............................And lots of Bee's.................................

#10

B5MECH
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18 June 2017 02:57 pm

Wishfull wrote:
B5MECH wrote:

big_smile Sorry Wishful tongue gone swing'n tongue
https://boldandfab.files.wordpress.com/ … -tough.jpg
Let me know if you need some tech info...I'm a FORD Specialist..but not tonight tongue
.............. yikes You got an EL hey tongue cool thumbsup ...should got the 5 liter option the lights never fail lol thumbsup
List what's not working and I'll read tomorrow tongue
yikes And what was fitted? yikes
Go through your fuse box and check ALL roll and again and once more tongue ..keep ya busy lol thumbsup
Might of fried the head light relay but the dash lights are different...only swap for the exact same one [relay] roll thumbsup
Did you check....... roll ..you didn't dim the dash out...seen a lot of customers that did and roll ..... roll check tongue

Like I said the dash lights were just a fuse blown. I have pulled out all the fuses on rhs of dash and all were good. The parkers and tail lights all work. It's only the high and low beam headlights not working.
Today sometime I will go and grab another couple of relays off my old xr6 and see if that does the trick.

I did have a light bar fitted weeks ago. It was done properly with a relay and separate on off switch and feeding off of high beam.

Looking at fuses isn't always going to show a blown fuse....must test with test light big_smile or resistance test fuse while it's out
Can you hear your head light relay clicking?....sounds like the switch has farted itself...
Parkers on...low on ...test power at lights...got to make sure not globes at all..... yikes
No low and high? yikes ....switch or could be a bad earth
Got a test light big_smile

Last edited by B5MECH (18 June 2017 03:41 pm)


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..............................And lots of Bee's.................................

#11

Swinging & digging
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18 June 2017 06:08 pm

madtuna wrote:

My mum could fix anything from a flat tyre, flat battery, jammed seat belt, over heating, no head lights to running out of fuel by popping the bonnet and smacking the battery terminals with her shoe! big_smile

Give that a shot thumbsup

As long as you hit faulty item with correct force, got to love the bush mechanics amongst us. thumbsup

#12

Wishfull
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18 June 2017 10:16 pm

B5MECH wrote:
Wishfull wrote:
B5MECH wrote:

big_smile Sorry Wishful tongue gone swing'n tongue
https://boldandfab.files.wordpress.com/ … -tough.jpg
Let me know if you need some tech info...I'm a FORD Specialist..but not tonight tongue
.............. yikes You got an EL hey tongue cool thumbsup ...should got the 5 liter option the lights never fail lol thumbsup
List what's not working and I'll read tomorrow tongue
yikes And what was fitted? yikes
Go through your fuse box and check ALL roll and again and once more tongue ..keep ya busy lol thumbsup
Might of fried the head light relay but the dash lights are different...only swap for the exact same one [relay] roll thumbsup
Did you check....... roll ..you didn't dim the dash out...seen a lot of customers that did and roll ..... roll check tongue

Like I said the dash lights were just a fuse blown. I have pulled out all the fuses on rhs of dash and all were good. The parkers and tail lights all work. It's only the high and low beam headlights not working.
Today sometime I will go and grab another couple of relays off my old xr6 and see if that does the trick.

I did have a light bar fitted weeks ago. It was done properly with a relay and separate on off switch and feeding off of high beam.

Looking at fuses isn't always going to show a blown fuse....must test with test light big_smile or resistance test fuse while it's out
Can you hear your head light relay clicking?....sounds like the switch has farted itself...
Parkers on...low on ...test power at lights...got to make sure not globes at all..... yikes
No low and high? yikes ....switch or could be a bad earth
Got a test light big_smile

Can't hear the relay work. Thinking the headlight switch stalk on steering column or the one on rhs of the dash not picking up current. Even when you pull back the steerng column stalk to flash high beam.there is nothing. Even if all the globes were blown on the headlights the light bar should still work.


Me..GOLD, GOLD...Boss Mmmm do you think we have the right man for the job ?
Turbo gold pan, Ancient 1996 Garret Scorpion gold stinger, Minelab GPX 4500, SDC2300, Detecnix wader Li pinpointer, home made pick, 750 mm Walco pick, understanding wife, most of the time.

#13

B5MECH
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18 June 2017 10:47 pm

Alright...hmmm where was the bar tapped into.?.............just make sure it's not messing with the power supply, is it easy to disconnect them out?
most likely the dash switch ..........they do fail but is there power at the relay?...'as long as power is there it's the switching side the fault is in
If you don't have a spare relay to swap... pop it's cap off...burnt out will be obvious..may even smell burnt
If no lights but parkers will be dash switch/or relay....single beam low or high only is the stork
Do you use standard globes with UV cut...?


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..............................And lots of Bee's.................................

#14

Wishfull
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18 June 2017 11:42 pm

I've changed the relays. Didn't make any difference.
The light bar has been on for over 2 months. Its just hooked into high beam wire behind the r/h headlight
I can disconnect the light bar by switching off the switch.
How hard are the dash switches to take out ?


Me..GOLD, GOLD...Boss Mmmm do you think we have the right man for the job ?
Turbo gold pan, Ancient 1996 Garret Scorpion gold stinger, Minelab GPX 4500, SDC2300, Detecnix wader Li pinpointer, home made pick, 750 mm Walco pick, understanding wife, most of the time.

#15

B5MECH
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19 June 2017 12:15 am

Just can't think if that model had a circuit breaker like the ED....look under the relay box...will be on the main battery wire
To check the relay for power remove and the side of the relay it has the pin destination....you need Battery power and a ignition power
If the two powers are there............ the switch the outer knob pulls off then the dimmer arm..don't snap the dimmer arm tongue .then the ring nut.....
From memory you can sneak them out under the dash without pulling the speedo assembly out....Tight tight roll
I'd prefer to see you move the bar splice ... lol sorry I'm like that...I'd take power from somewhere fresh then join into the switching side of the headlight relay only to power the bar relay
If you need we'll sort that out when the lights come back on down there lol thumbsup


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..............................And lots of Bee's.................................

#16

Wishfull
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19 June 2017 10:20 pm

Thanks might get some time on week end to check it out more thoroughly. Gotta happen cos after that , I'm going bush again smile. Could just drive during the day I guess.

Last edited by Wishfull (19 June 2017 10:24 pm)


Me..GOLD, GOLD...Boss Mmmm do you think we have the right man for the job ?
Turbo gold pan, Ancient 1996 Garret Scorpion gold stinger, Minelab GPX 4500, SDC2300, Detecnix wader Li pinpointer, home made pick, 750 mm Walco pick, understanding wife, most of the time.

#17

Tathradj
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19 June 2017 10:27 pm

Be careful of the steering wheel air bag. glasses glasses


NAPFA Committee Member,
A couple of HiBankers inc. accessories, , 4500, Gt1600, Aldi, Phantom 4 Pro,
A Prado 4x4, A'Van Cruiseliner and a heck of a lot of determination.
Not to mention Luck. Most importantly, A lot of Good Honest Friends.

#18

B5MECH
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19 June 2017 11:07 pm

If you can't work out how to get the switch out, hardest bit is disconnecting the plug with one hand roll ....I've got skinny arms that get hard to get to places yikes
The speedo's easy..... console trims and facier trim then 4 screws and roll it forward to sneak it out to the passenger-side
It's a handful of screws a couple of sneaky hidden ones just be careful with the clips.....be getting a little fragile with age yikes
No need to pull the wheel...adjust the column down cool thumbsup

Edit...funny...just went to check a break down...supposedly flipped a accessory belt roll
It's spat the harmonic balancer pulley ring and goooone .. lol ..his jump charger's in the boot roll ....Flat roll ....dude roll tongue
Someone's sleeping out tongue

Last edited by B5MECH (19 June 2017 11:18 pm)


A Crystal Ball....a Magic Wand....a Weegie Board....two Dowsing Rods
..............................And lots of Bee's.................................

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