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#526

Nightjar
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From: Home-Waikiki, Prospect-Leonora
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11 November 2021 11:13 pm

Back in the 80's and getting into prospecting, it got very cold in WA goldfields during winter, 0°C was not uncommon.
Doing it tough I slept under the stars in a swag.
Dug a trench and when ready for bed would line the trench with coals from the campfire and then refill.
Placed the swag on the the covered trench and slept soundly on the now warm soft ground.


The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary.
Happy Hunting, Nightjar.

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#527

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11 November 2021 11:53 pm

Looks good and I'll keep in mind. However, lol....... changes coming here. smile

We've moved house, were living in wife's old family home as looking after her mother. She passed in April, so long story short, sold the house got a new one and made some $$$.

I have a new car on order, gonna be 6-8 months to delivery, maybe, lol. So thinking about a new van as well. Here's the quandary for me.

1. Keep the old van having got it almost as I want - However, only 60lt of H2O, 2 x 4.5kg LPG, 3 way fridge and bugger all left to ATM (load rating not a lot).
2. Look for a new van slightly bigger, to address the above shortfalls and put up with the extra load on the tug.
3. Look for a Hybrid that is off road, small in length that also addresses shortfalls, so I can take it to areas my current van or a slightly bigger one won't go.

Only just started to look, saw one I like, but there's a 12 month minimum wait from order and I aint getting any younger, lol.

My wants/needs are an internal kitchen, shower, toilet, a 12V compressor fridge, lithium and more battery/solar than I currently have.

more......

#528

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12 November 2021 12:12 am

I'm kind of thinking keep what I have;

1. Swap the fridge out for a 12V compressor, which also fixes the LPG issue as that's what uses most of the gas now.
2. As I've already got 1 x 100AH Lithium in the van, double up to run the fridge and add more panels.
3. Means a bigger Victron, but hey, it's only money... lol.

My main reason for thinking this way is, at my age, I need to ask myself how many more years of vanning do I have, or prospecting for that matter. smile

A replacement van gonna be around the $60k mark and likely $30k trade in on the old one. Then there's the extra on a diesel heater, which is still my preferred warming in bed. Maybe, other things on top.

I can get a fridge swap out, depending on size and brand, gas plumber to terminate existing line to the 3 way etc. for around $2-3000.
Extra 200 W of solar, 2nd LiFePo4, 40 A Victron etc for under $5,000. Approx $7-8k, much cheaper than a $30k change and apart from these changes, I know the van.

My only other issue is only having 1 x 60lt water tank. But I came up with a solution. I carry 3 x 20lt military plastic jerries, empty, so sod all weight. Get to my camp area and then go get another 60lt for 120 total. It's also handy in that I can leave the van at camp, go get the water and pump from jerry to van tank when needed.

I don't go remote enough to need more.

#529

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12 November 2021 01:07 am

condor22 wrote:

I'm kind of thinking keep what I have;

1. Swap the fridge out for a 12V compressor, which also fixes the LPG issue as that's what uses most of the gas now.
2. As I've already got 1 x 100AH Lithium in the van, double up to run the fridge and add more panels.
3. Means a bigger Victron, but hey, it's only money... lol.

My main reason for thinking this way is, at my age, I need to ask myself how many more years of vanning do I have, or prospecting for that matter. smile

A replacement van gonna be around the $60k mark and likely $30k trade in on the old one. Then there's the extra on a diesel heater, which is still my preferred warming in bed. Maybe, other things on top.

I can get a fridge swap out, depending on size and brand, gas plumber to terminate existing line to the 3 way etc. for around $2-3000.
Extra 200 W of solar, 2nd LiFePo4, 40 A Victron etc for under $5,000. Approx $7-8k, much cheaper than a $30k change and apart from these changes, I know the van.

My only other issue is only having 1 x 60lt water tank. But I came up with a solution. I carry 3 x 20lt military plastic jerries, empty, so sod all weight. Get to my camp area and then go get another 60lt for 120 total. It's also handy in that I can leave the van at camp, go get the water and pump from jerry to van tank when needed.

I don't go remote enough to need more.

I just ordered another Two electric Blankets that DON'T have a built in timer and have a 2 position Hi/Low/Off Switch just to see if they chew any more power or get hotter, The One I posted gets over 40-50+*c,

Well the Van you got You Own and it is almost setup the way you want it and with a new one you would still have a lot of mods to do to make it yours the way you want it ?? Y/N ??.

3 or 400w of Solar would give you almost unlimited power with 2 LiPo4's,,,, Two 100Ah LiPo4's would be like running 600-800Ah Deep Cycle batteries due to the speed they charge at, So I would keep your own Van and add those bits, I have seen those 33ft 6-8 birth motor homes with Twin Air Con Full On Showers and Full On Kitchens and they normally run 3 to 4x 100Ah LiPo4's So 2 should give you a power to spare.

As for the Water you are better off doing what you said, A 120L of water is going to weigh close to 119.62kgs thats a lot of excess to be slopping around in a Tank which will add to the sway effect, I know most Travellers dump 80% of the water when they are heading back home just to save weight and to avoid the scalies mad I don't have those problems coz I can carry another 800kg+ and with a trailer and can carry even more, wink

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#530

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12 November 2021 01:10 am

Nightjar wrote:

Back in the 80's and getting into prospecting, it got very cold in WA goldfields during winter, 0°C was not uncommon.
Doing it tough I slept under the stars in a swag.
Dug a trench and when ready for bed would line the trench with coals from the campfire and then refill.
Placed the swag on the the covered trench and slept soundly on the now warm soft ground.

I have tried that in the past, After diggin in that hard ground I bet you slept well thumbsup

#531

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12 November 2021 08:03 am

condor22 wrote:

I'm kind of thinking keep what I have;

1. Swap the fridge out for a 12V compressor, which also fixes the LPG issue as that's what uses most of the gas now.

Keep in mind compressor noise


nyuk nyuk nyuk

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#532

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12 November 2021 11:10 am

woomera wrote:
condor22 wrote:

I'm kind of thinking keep what I have;

1. Swap the fridge out for a 12V compressor, which also fixes the LPG issue as that's what uses most of the gas now.

Keep in mind compressor noise

My little Dometic and SnoMaster are almost impossible to hear, The SnoMaster you have to look at the lights on it to see if it is working, inlove perfect

#533

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12 November 2021 12:29 pm

I'm looking at the Bushmaster 150 lt. It will save me 11kg on weight as the 3 way (128lt) aint light. Then with a second lithium back to around the same weight.

As my H2O tank is only 60 lt, I fill it for travel - a. Stops the slop, lol and b. it's weight down low to keep the C of G lower.

My first van had a Vitrifigo compressor fridge, wasn't too bad for noise and I always got earplugs just in case lol.

RR - re charging - 2 x 100 AH lithiums give me around 160 usable AH - 2 x 100 AH AGMs around 50 to 100 AH usable (to keep cycle depth to 25-50%). An average of around twice the power.

The charging speed is only high on 240 VAC or DC-DC. When I'm camped up I'm generally only on solar, so, providing I'm getting more charge than I use, then ok.

My rough calc with a compressor fridge - The 150 lt Bushmaster specs show an average of 1.4 amps/hour over 24 hours in 25 C ambient. = around 34 AH/day + The average 35 AH I normally use for other stuff. I usually prospect in winter, so less than 25C ambient, but I'll use that as worst case for a total daily use of 70 AH.

I know that on a average to good winter day my 200 W of panels will fill an AGM using 35 AH, so double the solar will replace most if not all of 70 AH.

On crappy weather days, I might need to crank up the Honda, but with lithium, only need to run for a lot less time than AGM charging.

200 AH of Lithium will give me 2 days without any charge, if solar only half charges, 4 days and 2/3 charge, 6 days, so plenty of redundancy. smile

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#534

condor22
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12 November 2021 12:31 pm

Just got back from measuring the van roof for panel space and can do. However, when I got up the ladder, I noticed the top of the roll out awning is flaking or delaminating, so looks like a new awning too, or at least the roll out part of it. It's only 7 years old.

#535

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12 November 2021 01:04 pm

I found Caravans Plus in Canberra the cheapest place for replacement awnings freight is usually about $90 save Hundreds of dollars buying from them.
cheers db

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#536

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12 November 2021 01:46 pm

condor22 wrote:

I'm looking at the Bushmaster 150 lt. It will save me 11kg on weight as the 3 way (128lt) aint light. Then with a second lithium back to around the same weight.

As my H2O tank is only 60 lt, I fill it for travel - a. Stops the slop, lol and b. it's weight down low to keep the C of G lower.

My first van had a Vitrifigo compressor fridge, wasn't too bad for noise and I always got earplugs just in case lol.

RR - re charging - 2 x 100 AH lithiums give me around 160 usable AH - 2 x 100 AH AGMs around 50 to 100 AH usable (to keep cycle depth to 25-50%). An average of around twice the power.

The charging speed is only high on 240 VAC or DC-DC. When I'm camped up I'm generally only on solar, so, providing I'm getting more charge than I use, then ok.

My rough calc with a compressor fridge - The 150 lt Bushmaster specs show an average of 1.4 amps/hour over 24 hours in 25 C ambient. = around 34 AH/day + The average 35 AH I normally use for other stuff. I usually prospect in winter, so less than 25C ambient, but I'll use that as worst case for a total daily use of 70 AH.

I know that on a average to good winter day my 200 W of panels will fill an AGM using 35 AH, so double the solar will replace most if not all of 70 AH.

On crappy weather days, I might need to crank up the Honda, but with lithium, only need to run for a lot less time than AGM charging.

200 AH of Lithium will give me 2 days without any charge, if solar only half charges, 4 days and 2/3 charge, 6 days, so plenty of redundancy. smile

The reason I said the 2x Lithium would be like having 600Ah AGM / Deep Cycle Is for a couple of reasons 1) you get to use 80/90% of the Stored Energy and 2) Is because the AGM / Deep Cycle batteries waste so much energy So where as your 200w panel would take a long time to put 50/60Ah back in to the AGM, Your Lithium would only take between 2 and 4 hours to fill it up, Not only that even on a Hot Day you big New Big Fridge won't chew all the power your 200w panel can produce in a day so with 2x LiPo4's and 2x 200w Panels the only time your LiPo batteries would have to work is during the night because the Sun would be doing all the hard work during the day,

In series your going to get around 12Ah on average +/- but in parallele your going to get around 20-30Ah Over 6 or 8 hours thats huge power, I would be very surprized if you used 15-20% at night and even on a cloudy day your panels will easily cover what was used over night and when the Sun comes up they will be charged before smoko,

I am having to use Butane Heaters and stove for cooking and heating due to the lack of places to mount Panels, I have a 120w foldout panel and today I bought 2 small 14w folding panels just for the phone or Tablet etc small enough to go in a backpack if I go wondering,

Still got my 6x 150w panels and a 100w gathering Dust all still in their boxes, I would love to see what they can put out when in series and papallele at the same time, inlove

I think I have the Bluetooth Victron 100/20, I made up leads with Andersons so I can hook in a kilowatt meter before or after the Victron and I can hook up proper solar panels or the portable ones,

Having the lithium PLB's has allowed me to scale down on panels as well as save weight/Space On batteries and with the PLB's having their own DC/DC built in has also saved weight because I have not had to hardwire anything in to the Van and The PLB's only have to run the little 35L SnoMaster the Little Dometic is very quiet and sits on the floor behind the drivers seat and the SnoMaster sits on one side of the bed, because it is so quiet it is within 1 or 2 feet from my head, Can't do that with the ARB's, All of the fridges have similar db levels but the Pitch or frequency of the SnoMaster makes it quieter than when we breath out,

I think when you get the solar and batteries sorted you will also be able to ditch some of your excess wiring mods which will also save weight.

#537

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12 November 2021 08:06 pm

Well what a difference a day makes, lol. Went out this arvo and deposited a new van. Avan Golf off road pop top.

2 x 90lt water tanks, Solar, Microwave, Inside 12 V compressor fridge, (not sure of size) External lockable draw fridge, Toolbox on draw bar, External kitchen and sink, all LED lighting, internal shower/toilet and external shower, 2 jerry holders on rear bumper. Room for a diesel heater under bed., big dinette.

All in 4600mm internal length = approx 15'

Going to replace the Jurgens awning, remove the Lithium and 240 VAC charger as I kept the OEM gear. Will fit a new diesel heater to the Golf.

FYI - I saw the Avan order on delivery times for a Golf off road (from the factory in VIC) if I ordered a new one delivery is estimated for March 2024. As their new stock is not due till April next year, I can't have it till then, but 5 months is better than 28 months.

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#538

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13 November 2021 01:19 am

condor22 wrote:

Well what a difference a day makes, lol. Went out this arvo and deposited a new van. Avan Golf off road pop top.

2 x 90lt water tanks, Solar, Microwave, Inside 12 V compressor fridge, (not sure of size) External lockable draw fridge, Toolbox on draw bar, External kitchen and sink, all LED lighting, internal shower/toilet and external shower, 2 jerry holders on rear bumper. Room for a diesel heater under bed., big dinette.

All in 4600mm internal length = approx 15'

Going to replace the Jurgens awning, remove the Lithium and 240 VAC charger as I kept the OEM gear. Will fit a new diesel heater to the Golf.

FYI - I saw the Avan order on delivery times for a Golf off road (from the factory in VIC) if I ordered a new one delivery is estimated for March 2024. As their new stock is not due till April next year, I can't have it till then, but 5 months is better than 28 months.

LOL, Your as bad as me when it comes to new Toys, Are you sure we ain't related yikes tongue playful thumbsup

Good on ya mate. thumbsup

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#539

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13 November 2021 11:26 pm

Tomorrow's job/s - Re prepping the Jurgens for trade in

Remove the following; 100 AH Lithium, Voltech 240 VAC charger, USB twin charger and cig socket, (I made a small plate to install these where the OEM volt gauge, LED type) 12 station fuse block, terminal strips and posts for common earth et etc. Also the Remotes for the Voltech charger and the BM320 monitor.

Reinstall the crappy Omegalec charger/distribution module and voltmeter, then reconnect it all.

Buy a cheap GEL or AGM to go with the van.

Also going to remove the Sirroco Fan and the multi 12 V power box for TV, Satellite, Fan and spare.

Then it's off to Bunnings for some wood filler to fill all the screw holes.

Shame to do so, but gonna need to leave the diesel heater in situ and the solar.

Biggest problem will be finding somewhere to store what's in the van as my recent home move was a significant downsize. smile

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#540

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14 November 2021 02:27 am

condor22 wrote:

Tomorrow's job/s - Re prepping the Jurgens for trade in

Remove the following; 100 AH Lithium, Voltech 240 VAC charger, USB twin charger and cig socket, (I made a small plate to install these where the OEM volt gauge, LED type) 12 station fuse block, terminal strips and posts for common earth et etc. Also the Remotes for the Voltech charger and the BM320 monitor.

Reinstall the crappy Omegalec charger/distribution module and voltmeter, then reconnect it all.

Buy a cheap GEL or AGM to go with the van.

Also going to remove the Sirroco Fan and the multi 12 V power box for TV, Satellite, Fan and spare.

Then it's off to Bunnings for some wood filler to fill all the screw holes.

Shame to do so, but gonna need to leave the diesel heater in situ and the solar.

Biggest problem will be finding somewhere to store what's in the van as my recent home move was a significant downsize. smile

Have you really got that much to take out ?? The upside to the delay in getting the new one is it gives you time to get all those jobs done. ops

The best bit about the New Van is with Twin Lithiums plus 2 panels you are going to have a much neater/faster system, Plus all the new gear that comes with it. perfect

That new fridge is a game changer coz you wont be having to carry extra Butane/Propane so you will save weight and money there and the new fridge will be lighter too,

I haven't seen any Avans over here, they are in the US but not here, I have found a couple of light weight Vans over here that can carry 3-400kgs+ Loads,

#541

condor22
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14 November 2021 05:27 pm

Avan U.S. Is not the Oz Avan, they copied em and not the same quality or fit out. Totally different company. I watched some you tube vids the yanks did and asked the local dealer about the comments made, which is how I found out they are not the same.

Not a lot to take out - but they are not getting the Lithium, Charger or monitor and not getting the brand new Sphere TV/DVD. The Avan has not TV with it, so it'll go in there. Also removed the Sirocco.

Next job is to remove some adhesive pads and fill a few screw holes. Today I got the OEM power supply and volt gauge all re installed. I've decided to let them have the van with the stuffed awning, they can fix it. Might lower the trade in a little, but it will save me chasing one and some work.

Once I've emptied it, I'm taking it in for them to appraise, so they may as well have it to sell as well. In the unlikely event I want to go away, my mate will let me kip in his place and or I can go to a caravan park or motel for short trips. smile

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