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Teemore
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14 September 2021 05:03 pm

This "compulsory" action helped to visually eliminate tuberculosis (TB) from Australia ..... a killer back then as serious as covid is today ........ nobody really argued about the invasion of civil liberties back then ...... just get the jab.

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Manpa
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14 September 2021 06:11 pm

I sincerely hope that those who oppose the covid vaccine do not have family member who contracts covid and suffer the long term health effects that many of the unvaccinated seem to be suffering.


One of these days Ma!

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14 September 2021 06:36 pm

I remember my x-rays as my Dad had TB. They had an entire outside ward dedicated to this terrible thing. Still smoking was allowed but near a fly meshed window only. No touching and a distance of 6’ between visitors and the patient.
Mackka

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14 September 2021 07:54 pm

Don't remember the xray in the 60s , mainly because I was born in the 70s, but still got the scar on my arm from the injection.

I remember it well. 1988, there was a corridor of approximately 100 kids lined up neatly down the school corridor about 60 metres long. We waited in anticipation as each kid walked in, and then came back out in tears.

NEXT....... cry

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Teemore
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14 September 2021 08:11 pm

Upside wrote:

but still got the scar on my arm from the injection.

Wouldn't swear to it but that was most likely smallpox or dipthera .... have 2 on my arm as well from immunisation before my parents migrated to Australia. Was compulsory then and no one complained.


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14 September 2021 09:11 pm

Teemore wrote:
Upside wrote:

but still got the scar on my arm from the injection.

Wouldn't swear to it but that was most likely smallpox or dipthera .... have 2 on my arm as well from immunisation before my parents migrated to Australia. Was compulsory then and no one complained.

Definitely tb mate. Been a few years but know it was.

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Manpa
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14 September 2021 09:12 pm

Yep TB, given in grade seven from memory, 1972 for me.


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14 September 2021 10:58 pm

Don't see how you can compare an x ray to an untested vaccine???
When the French Valneeva vaccine comes out you will find most of other waiting for a traditional vaccine will get it and make you socialista happy.
Can't you see you are so besotted with your own lockdown misery that you are happy for others to risk their lives and future so you can go out and play.

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15 September 2021 07:18 am

Untested? Where do you get that misinformation from?

It's a myth spread by anti vaxxers & other anti everything groups that other vaccines get put thru more rigorous or lengthy testing than Covid vaccines.
All vaccines in Australia are subject to a 3 x phase testing & trials schedule prior to being approved for use.
Most Phase 3 vaccine trials (this is the one they do before you apply to allow use of it) follow up volunteers for just 12 months on average. That's it.
Pfizer’s phase 3 trial of its Covid vaccine went for about four months; AstraZeneca’s ran about six months. Less than average but with far more participants & data than usual.
The difference with other trials of various vaccines is they often have to run longer than the Covid ones because they have to capture enough infections in the placebo group to be sure a vaccine is working. I.E. It might take a long time to capture enough shingles infections; that is not a problem when testing a COVID-19 vaccine in the middle of a pandemic.
5.76 billion doses of Covid vaccine have been administered & monitored worldwide. Not many other vaccines can claim those numbers & the monitoring is ongoing (like all medications).
Vaccines of any kind that are likely to pose serious issues are usually found within the first few months of distributed use (if not in trial phase stages). Covid vaccines show relatively very small percentages of adverse side effects & have been in use for about 18 months.
There are many other considered "safe" medications with higher adverse effects & even misuse injuries but those are acceptable?

"The technology used, called messenger RNA, or mRNA, is not new. Research on it actually began in the early 1990s, and two diseases that are very close to Covid — SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) in 2003, and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome) — helped bring the mRNA vaccine development to present day use."

Health Australia wrote:

Were COVID-19 vaccines rushed through approvals or given emergency use authorisations in Australia?

Australia has made a full and thorough assessment of the Pfizer (Comirnaty) and AstraZeneca (Vaxzevria) vaccines.

The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) provisionally approved these vaccines after a complete assessment of all the available data. This is the same process as any vaccine approved in this country. The TGA will only register and approve a COVID-19 vaccine if it is safe and effective.

No part of the process has been rushed, and there was no emergency authorisation granted. The TGA does not have an "Emergency Use Authorisation" pathway for COVID-19 vaccines.

Some countries are using versions of Emergency Use Authorisations (such as the UK, US and Canada) to urgently make vaccines available. This is because of the large number of COVID-19 cases and risk in those countries.

The urgency of the global pandemic means that researchers and developers are prioritising the progress of COVID-19 vaccines. This has allowed countries to deliver safe and effective vaccines faster than has been done in the past.

The TGA has engaged early with pharmaceutical companies about their vaccines and is accepting rolling data. This means that the TGA can assess clinical trial data as it becomes available, rather than at the end of the three clinical trial phases. This speeds up the review process.

There have been unprecedented levels of funding as combatting the pandemic is a global priority and significant investment in research and manufacturing facilities.

New technologies have helped scientists understand the coronavirus earlier and in great detail. This has allowed them to start working on vaccine design faster.


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15 September 2021 08:37 am

So if its safe,
Why are they continuing to monitor the SAFETY of this vaccine and what are the long term effects .
Pregnancy, heart conditions,Children under 12,blood type, ect ect ,They don't know, thats why they are Continuing to monitor the safety.
I don't blame anyone for being concerned .Yes its been around since the 90s but never before used for mass vaccination..1631658690_screenshot_20210915-082608_chrome_copy_768x1579.jpg

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15 September 2021 10:28 am

In Australia the TGA continually monitor all approved vaccines (& other medications). It's not unique to covid vaccines. thumbsup
For instance even though thalidomide has had tragic side effects worldwide (1960's) in specific circumstances it is still able to be prescribed under strict conditions to treat some conditions in people not in the usage risk category.
It was the thalidomide tragedy that set the tone for Australia's stringent test & trial processes. I'd reckon we are among the leaders worldwide in our vaccine safety standards if not no.1.
Part of the reason we lagged other countries in covid vaccine roll out was our procedures here.
The Government's lack of initial proactive acquisition was another.


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Smoky bandit
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15 September 2021 10:57 am

The TGA have made many mistakes in the past and there's been many recalls since Thalidomide ,although that was probably the worst.
I can see why people are holding out as long as they can.
Unfortunately I have my first dose today. awful

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Teemore
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15 September 2021 11:06 am

goldtrapper wrote:

Don't see how you can compare an x ray to an untested vaccine???
When the French Valneeva vaccine comes out you will find most of other waiting for a traditional vaccine will get it and make you socialista happy.
Can't you see you are so besotted with your own lockdown misery that you are happy for others to risk their lives and future so you can go out and play.

So you didn't get shots for smallpox, diphtheria, polio, measles etc etc as a child, ask your mother, pretty sure a lot of these were "compulsory" ..... doubt the tests back then were anywhere near the amount of testing that goes on now.

Take a leaf out the poor bloke that died here recently, one of his last FB posts .... "Covid sucks .. just get vaccinated"


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15 September 2021 11:16 am

Just get yourself vaccinated and don't worry about those that don't.
Your life won't change if Joe blow down the road doesn't get it.
Once your state reaches 70% ,
Which it will whether joe blow gets it or not.
You can go on living your new restricted life.


No pain No gain..

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Teemore
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15 September 2021 11:27 am

Smoky bandit wrote:

Just get yourself vaccinated and don't worry about those that don't.
Your life won't change if Joe blow down the road doesn't get it.
Once your state reaches 70% ,
Which it will whether joe blow gets it or not.
You can go on living your new restricted life.

Vaccinated and proud .....
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If you don't stand for something ..... You'll fall for anything !!
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15 September 2021 12:16 pm

Smoky bandit wrote:

So if its safe,
Why are they continuing to monitor the SAFETY of this vaccine and what are the long term effects .
Pregnancy, heart conditions,Children under 12,blood type, ect ect ,They don't know, thats why they are Continuing to monitor the safety.
I don't blame anyone for being concerned .Yes its been around since the 90s but never before used for mass vaccination..

The possibility of long-term side effects is a fair enough question, but it's a subject that the experts already know a lot about from many decades experience with other vaccines:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-do- … 58fc7.html


Where it is, there it is.

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15 September 2021 12:30 pm

We are all double dosed with AZ and have had no side effects age range 57-88. Be a good citizen and get the jab.


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15 September 2021 12:34 pm

Teemore wrote:
Smoky bandit wrote:

Just get yourself vaccinated and don't worry about those that don't.
Your life won't change if Joe blow down the road doesn't get it.
Once your state reaches 70% ,
Which it will whether joe blow gets it or not.
You can go on living your new restricted life.

Vaccinated and proud .....
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au … _201_a.jpg

lol thumbsup


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15 September 2021 12:41 pm

grubstake wrote:
Smoky bandit wrote:

So if its safe,
Why are they continuing to monitor the SAFETY of this vaccine and what are the long term effects .
Pregnancy, heart conditions,Children under 12,blood type, ect ect ,They don't know, thats why they are Continuing to monitor the safety.
I don't blame anyone for being concerned .Yes its been around since the 90s but never before used for mass vaccination..

The possibility of long-term side effects is a fair enough question, but it's a subject that the experts already know a lot about from many decades experience with other vaccines:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-do- … 58fc7.html

All other vaccines have undergone long term testing on humans.
The covid 19 vaccinations are still in early days.
It was only 3 months ago that children under 13 had a very low to no risk of catching c19.
But now they know better smile thumbsup
I was talking to a neuropsycologist yesterday that he and his colleagues are in the process of gathering information and are seeing a strong connection with depression and the affects of the vaccination in people with epilepsy, and other ABI'S.
These things will take time to show up and there's all sorts of things happening in the background regarding testing.
Anyway I'm out.
Good luck to you all.
I'll let you know if I grow another head in the next few days. lol

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15 September 2021 01:14 pm

Neuropsychologists would also people suffering depression who have any of the vast number of neurological diseases, MND, MS, Parkinson’s etc and many of the drugs and treatments used to treat these disease have behavioural side effects. I don’t doubt what your neuropsychologist mate said. Many covid patients who have recovered from the critical stage of the disease are now experiencing what is termed as “brain fog” which is causing some issues with memory, anxiety etc, as to wether these patients were vaccinated I have no idea.

Drugs and DBS for Parkinson’s can have a number of side effects, gambling addictions, loss of inhibition, depression, hyper sexuality, etc


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15 September 2021 01:35 pm

Manpa wrote:

Neuropsychologists would also people suffering depression who have any of the vast number of neurological diseases, MND, MS, Parkinson’s etc and many of the drugs and treatments used to treat these disease have behavioural side effects. I don’t doubt what your neuropsychologist mate said. Many covid patients who have recovered from the critical stage of the disease are now experiencing what is termed as “brain fog” which is causing some issues with memory, anxiety etc, as to wether these patients were vaccinated I have no idea.

Drugs and DBS for Parkinson’s can have a number of side effects, gambling addictions, loss of inhibition, depression, hyper sexuality, etc

Don't know mate I just keep these people safe from themselves.
He believes its from the vaccination, one in particular.
Maybe he's a antivax nutter lol thumbsup


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15 September 2021 01:50 pm

My wife has a shunt to drain excess fluid from the brain. It's classed as epilepsy and she has no side effects from AZ. ATM she has a bloodshot left eye and it is resultant from he bout of shingles she had earlier this year. smile clap


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15 September 2021 02:40 pm

I had looked forward to meeting up with many PA members for the last few years. Acutually caught up with Balmain Bob briefly.
But since this is now a communist dictatorship. I will no longer bee visiting here and will go and join the Tuna.
So much for having the jab being a free choice. Oh and I have had decades worth of vaccines and innoculations and AM NOT an antivaccer.
Cherio.

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15 September 2021 03:16 pm

goldtrapper wrote:

So much for having the jab being a free choice.

But it is your choice, no one will or can force you.
Just you won't be able to play with all the toys.
No shirt No service.
Your choice.


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15 September 2021 05:43 pm

I see that Halfwit's forum is not the only asylum for deniers and other assorted 'scramble heads'.
Speaking of things compulsory; It's a pity condoms weren't compulsory for some a generation or two ago.
For those refugees setting sail for Finders island, be careful not to sail off the edge of the flat world.

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