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#101

Ded Driver
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12 October 2020 10:00 pm

EVIE/BEE wrote:
davent wrote:

So has anyone heard any real rumours about it yet? Or still just total speculation?


Define a real rumour?
ops

party When something is 'exactly similar to the previous concept of what might have been or could be" lol

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#102

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12 October 2020 11:29 pm

What won't it have, won't it do or has it got that you don't want to be $1K cheaper than a 7000?

Will $1K less than a 7000 be comparatively noticeable in the field?

Will $2.5K more than a 5000 be comparatively noticeable in the field?

Will it trump a 2300, maybe its a sluice you really need to be considering?

Will it find gold thats shaped unlike anything found to date? Hah

They aint making gold anymore, fact!

The worlds got bigger cause there's less gold to find, fact!

So, ya got to go deeper, but its cheaper than a 7000, fact!

6000 owners will have less working capital (trips away) than existing GPX owners, fact!

Why would any existing GPX owner even consider a 6000?

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#103

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13 October 2020 09:35 am

BigL wrote:

What won't it have, won't it do or has it got that you don't want to be $1K cheaper than a 7000?

It's still going to be based on PI tech not ZVT like the the GPZ. It should be more than $1k cheaper IMO.

BigL wrote:

Will $1K less than a 7000 be comparatively noticeable in the field?

Will depend on a lot of factors. I know in some areas there is a noticeable difference from the GPZ to current GPX's. In some areas I've seen the GPZ easily outshine them & in others not so much. A new timing or 2 & some better EMI immunity may close the gap further?

BigL wrote:

Will $2.5K more than a 5000 be comparatively noticeable in the field?

Price & performance remains to be seen. I think even just a more modern user interface, wifi & onboard battery will be a lot more user friendly but not worth $2.5k more. There will need to be improvement beyond that for that price.

BigL wrote:

Will it trump a 2300, maybe its a sluice you really need to be considering?

Minelab have said numerous times that the SDC wasn't a competitor to the GPX series but a standalone mid range detector. I don't see that changing but maybe a new timing will give the GPX6000 more SDC like qualities? A sluice is no good in dry areas tongue

BigL wrote:

Will it find gold thats shaped unlike anything found to date? Hah

It might find some shaped like this $ $ $

BigL wrote:

6000 owners will have less working capital (trips away) than existing GPX owners, fact!

Why would any existing GPX owner even consider a 6000?

Why would they have less capital. Sell the old GPX & some of the gold you should have found. Minelab's always keep good resale value. A lot of other buyers will be cashed up i.e. retirees, keen hobbyists etc.

They will buy it for the same reasons they've upgraded previously since the SD2000 through to the GPX5000.
Even if the performance gain is negligible it will create enough doubt in some that they will need to have one or they won't sleep at night.
Others will see any performance gain as a must have to give them an edge.
Some will just appreciate the modern user interface, built in wifi & onboard battery. Any extra performance or timings will be a bonus.


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#104

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13 October 2020 10:22 am

I think you're right mbasko, not only different performance (whether perceived or otherwise), but also 3 completely different price points. For the consumer that has to be good. And when you think about it, going forward, any of these products bought secondhand are at different price points again. There's plenty of choices at what you can afford if you want a Minelab.


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#105

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19 November 2020 02:43 pm

Any update on rumoured release dates ???????

18th December has been mentioned ...... ??????

Cheers T.


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#106

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19 November 2020 03:42 pm

I just read that it will be out by Christmas. Saw it on Facebook so it must be true . big_smile

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19 November 2020 05:12 pm

18/12/20 is the rumour. That's the date the FCC documents are supposed to go live anyway?
Another rumour is that Minelab are holding a dealer's meeting in the next week or so.
Watch the leaky sieve come out after that if it indeed happens or maybe Minelab will just make it all official. rainbow


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#109

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19 November 2020 11:14 pm

Have a look at the above link

So what do we know so far:

The detector will have no cables
use Low Latency Bluetooth for the Audio
Have a control box much like the GPZ7000
Have a display on top of the handle
Be available for Christams.

#110

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19 November 2020 11:55 pm

Big assumptions there.
We don’t know squat except that the gag order expires on the 18th of December.

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#111

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20 November 2020 12:09 am

Only 29 sleeps to go. Not long now kiddies! lol

#112

Teemore
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20 November 2020 11:00 am

mbasko wrote:

They will buy it for the same reasons they've upgraded previously since the SD2000 through to the GPX5000.
Even if the performance gain is negligible it will create enough doubt in some that they will need to have one or they won't sleep at night.
Others will see any performance gain as a must have to give them an edge.
Some will just appreciate the modern user interface, built in wifi & onboard battery. Any extra performance or timings will be a bonus.

All these are valid buy reasons.

Consistent upgrades have always produced 'superior' machines, some for specific targets eg Gold Monster/SDC

Not sure about buying because of even negligible performance gains sadly many probably aren't using their detectors to the best of its, not their capabilities ..... except maybe the SDC which is dead easy for newcomers to get their head around.

Those who are on top of getting max. performance from their units will welcome what it may offer.

Different more user friendly interface and minor tweaks like that will be welcomed.

Sadly what we need are new goldfield opportunities, don't like the term most are "flogged' to death .... we all know that gold keeps coming from these "flogged' areas although I must admit with so many new operators out there (thanks Gold Rush Aust and similar shows - NOT) it is getting harder to find and usually smaller.

Private Property is where most of the gold now resides ....... often scratch my head wondering who some of these bushland areas were ever allowed to be subdivided into private holdings (greedy councils after an easy cash grab ???).

Will be watching with interest .........

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#113

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22 November 2020 07:02 pm

The only rumored difference that I've heard is that the battery will slot onto the bottom of the detector.
Nothing else apart from 18th December news release.


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#114

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22 November 2020 09:46 pm

I think there will be alot of interest in the 6000,gpx’s are to due for an update,its been the same platform for a very long time...
Whats the consensus on its functions,anyone know or think it will have a gps built in?

#115

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23 November 2020 12:20 pm

Goldchaser1 wrote:

I think there will be alot of interest in the 6000,gpx’s are to due for an update,its been the same platform for a very long time...
Whats the consensus on its functions,anyone know or think it will have a gps built in?

Hello Dave & Betina. I haven’t heard of a GPS fitted, could be??

But I have heard a few things about the new 6000, and have seen a photo too, it does look like a 7000.
Yet it looked like a smaller version to me. The coil looked like about 14” inches in size. There was a “speaker”? grille, near the rear fitted battery.

There are a few other things released about it so far, and these are:

Quote: Minelab will soon release a new GPX detector which introduces an ease of use technology. Called Geo-Sense Pulse Induction.

This sounds to me like a new automated ground tracking of Earth Field noise cancellation.

It also has Spread Spectrum, TX RX.

Spread spectrum generally makes use of a sequential noise-like signal structure, and is used to "spread" a radio signal over a wide frequency range several magnitudes higher than minimum requirement.

The core principle of spread spectrum is the use of noise-like carrier waves, and, as the name implies, bandwidths much wider than that required for simple point-to-point communication at the same data rate.

Benefits of Spread Spectrum. Resistance to Interference Effects.

There are many benefits to spread-spectrum technology. Resistance to interference is the most important advantage.

Intentional or unintentional interference are rejected, because they do not contain the spread-spectrum key.

Only the desired signal, which has the key, will be seen at the receiver
when the DE-spreading operation is exercised.

You can practically ignore the interference, narrow-band or wide-band, if it does not include the key used in the DE-spreading operation in the control box.

There has been talk of it coming out with 3 coils? An announcement date expected on the 18 / 12 / 20, and a release in early 2021.

Quote: "progressed development of our new GPX replacement gold detector, to be released in FY21;"

Cheers from ozziegold.

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#116

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23 November 2020 12:45 pm

Thanks for the update Oz.


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#117

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23 November 2020 02:33 pm

grubstake wrote:

I expect the 6000 will have a one-piece, styled plastic casing like the GPZ and CTX, as the GPX-series tin box is too easily counterfeited. The 6000 will likely also have a large display screen above the handgrip, like the other recent machines.

Only hear-say but it's format is supposed to be the major visual difference, a 7000 look-a-like. No ZVT, that's for the top end at the moment (or until it's copied or superseded with new technology). Improvements are more software/option based rather than new technology. Yes to GEO as others have mentioned, I do like the simple one-unit format over my 5000 but couldn't part with her till I land that 5 ouncer and buy a 7000 lol playful


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#118

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23 November 2020 02:37 pm

Good luck with the 5000.
smile


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#119

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23 November 2020 02:48 pm

I wonder how much cheaper the 7000 would be without all the gps bells and whistles where on it.
I was surprised to see it didn't have more than just the one custom setting available on it.
What would be a flashy option to have is a good quality 2" pointer connected via spiral cord, a switch between coils. cool

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#120

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23 November 2020 02:54 pm

mudgee hunter wrote:

I wonder how much cheaper the 7000 would be without all the gps bells and whistles where on it.
I was surprised to see it didn't have more than just the one custom setting available on it.

Once it's designed and built electronically, taking a step back to "de-rate" it's options would be possible through software though I can't see that ever happening. With the 7000 you are paying for the ZVT technology more than anything else.


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#121

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23 November 2020 03:19 pm

True i guess. Not being able to even permanently save last setting is a bit odd.
Hit that quick start accidentally...


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#122

Jaros
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23 November 2020 04:04 pm

Caveat Emptor fella's-just doesn' sad t ride well with me.


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#123

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23 November 2020 05:07 pm

Jaros wrote:

Caveat Emptor fella's-just doesn' sad t ride well with me.

???
To quote Pauline... " please explain " lol


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#124

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23 November 2020 06:03 pm

Oh,
"the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made."
Had to google that one!
Well I think when the name/brand "Minelab" is attached, a benchmark standard of quality is a given and expected.
"Bang for your buck" is a personal interpretation.
Me, I think the monster has it the most.
But wouldn't say no to a 7.
Even car manufacturers drop a great features in their next new model.

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#125

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23 November 2020 06:04 pm

ozziegold wrote:
Goldchaser1 wrote:

I think there will be alot of interest in the 6000,gpx’s are to due for an update,its been the same platform for a very long time...
Whats the consensus on its functions,anyone know or think it will have a gps built in?

Hello Dave & Betina. I haven’t heard of a GPS fitted, could be??

But I have heard a few things about the new 6000, and have seen a photo too, it does look like a 7000.
Yet it looked like a smaller version to me. The coil looked like about 14” inches in size. There was a “speaker”? grille, near the rear fitted battery.

There are a few other things released about it so far, and these are:

Quote: Minelab will soon release a new GPX detector which introduces an ease of use technology. Called Geo-Sense Pulse Induction.

This sounds to me like a new automated ground tracking of Earth Field noise cancellation.

It also has Spread Spectrum, TX RX.

Spread spectrum generally makes use of a sequential noise-like signal structure, and is used to "spread" a radio signal over a wide frequency range several magnitudes higher than minimum requirement.

The core principle of spread spectrum is the use of noise-like carrier waves, and, as the name implies, bandwidths much wider than that required for simple point-to-point communication at the same data rate.

Benefits of Spread Spectrum. Resistance to Interference Effects.

There are many benefits to spread-spectrum technology. Resistance to interference is the most important advantage.

Intentional or unintentional interference are rejected, because they do not contain the spread-spectrum key.

Only the desired signal, which has the key, will be seen at the receiver
when the DE-spreading operation is exercised.

You can practically ignore the interference, narrow-band or wide-band, if it does not include the key used in the DE-spreading operation in the control box.

There has been talk of it coming out with 3 coils? An announcement date expected on the 18 / 12 / 20, and a release in early 2021.

Quote: "progressed development of our new GPX replacement gold detector, to be released in FY21;"

Cheers from ozziegold.

Hey john,hope ya going ok down there,things must be on up since the lockdowns have been relaxed.
Thanks for the info,it sounds promising,the gps im not interested in,hoping it hasnt got one actually.
I was thinking the other day you may know a little more or heard a bit on the grapevine,personally an updated design would do it for me,i think the 45 or 5 perform well as they are,the gpz mostly does the ploughing when we find an area,so maybe a bit better with interference or hopefully a bit smoother on hot ground is what i was hoping for if any improvements were made.....

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