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#26

Mr T
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02 October 2019 08:48 am

correct as per the tutorial

only works in MULTI FEQ setting

#27

goldtrapper
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02 October 2019 09:46 am

When I ran the dectector in multi frequency the EMI was terrible.

#28

Smoky bandit
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02 October 2019 10:15 am

goldtrapper wrote:

When I ran the dectector in multi frequency the EMI was terrible.

First thing I noticed as well.


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#29

PhaseTech
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02 October 2019 11:29 am

goldtrapper wrote:

Frustratingly it took 8 separate goes of opening the Minelab download window before it recognised my detector this time. Back to V 1.175

Have you managed to get it to upgrade?

Here is what I do.

- Open the Update Utility
- Plug the USB in
- Make sure coil is connected to c/box
- Switch on detector
- Click Install on computer

I have upgraded several units now, and it works no problem


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#30

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02 October 2019 04:37 pm

So I should not update it yet? skull thumbsup thumbsdown ?


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#31

Kai
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02 October 2019 06:40 pm

I'm pleased with the update, my 600 was very jumpy on most targets, first thing I noticed when I bought it months ago, my xterra705 seemed very stable in comparison.
Now its alot more stable on good targets, I tried it in fe2 mode and found it would false out on trashy iron signals quite well.
Still more testing to go, but personally I'm pleased with the update.


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#32

goldtrapper
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02 October 2019 10:13 pm

PhaseTech wrote:
goldtrapper wrote:

Frustratingly it took 8 separate goes of opening the Minelab download window before it recognised my detector this time. Back to V 1.175

Have you managed to get it to upgrade?

Here is what I do.

- Open the Update Utility
- Plug the USB in
- Make sure coil is connected to c/box
- Switch on detector
- Click Install on computer

I have upgraded several units now, and it works no problem

As per the reply, I had upgraded it and now have it back to version 1.1.75. thumbsup

#33

rockdev
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03 October 2019 10:14 am

Am very pleased with my update, I have a user profile setup with iron bios FE2@9 in park 1, its works a treat on very rusty caps and bolts, producing a warbly jumpy signal.


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#34

Pieces-Of-Eight
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03 October 2019 07:46 pm

rockdev wrote:

Am very pleased with my update, I have a user profile setup with iron bios FE2@9 in park 1, its works a treat on very rusty caps and bolts, producing a warbly jumpy signal.

I'm confused with the @9 setting, unless you are in all metal mode doesn't is discriminate out 9 and below anyway ?

#35

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03 October 2019 10:43 pm

Pieces-Of-Eight wrote:

I'm confused with the @9 setting, unless you are in all metal mode doesn't is discriminate out 9 and below anyway ?

If I'm reading you right, I think where you're getting confused is mixing up iron bias and the accept/reject settings. You're right that the default program rejects IDs of 9 and below, the FE/FE2 iron bias setting changes the likelihood of a given signal to be reported as a negative ferrous ID (more bias, more likely a sketchy signal will be classed as iron). It's not really a setting that filters by the ID numbers, it comes in before the accept/reject is applied. Someone correct me if I've got that wrong....

Last edited by Guessologist (03 October 2019 10:48 pm)


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#36

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04 October 2019 09:29 am

Pieces-Of-Eight wrote:
rockdev wrote:

Am very pleased with my update, I have a user profile setup with iron bios FE2@9 in park 1, its works a treat on very rusty caps and bolts, producing a warbly jumpy signal.

I'm confused with the @9 setting, unless you are in all metal mode doesn't is discriminate out 9 and below anyway ?

What Guessolgist said is spot on, Fe and Fe2 settings are filters only, and have no bearing on discriminated numbers. It does however make the VDI jump all over the shop under an iron target when using FE2 6-9 giving them a tell-tale warbly unclean signal, but once the horse shoe is engaged they then become so easy to distinguish as they now become an iron target with a grunt. I was out testing again yesterday afternoon in my yard and having the FE2 on 9 certainly makes bottle caps and rusty nails sound like iron. big_smile

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Last edited by rockdev (04 October 2019 09:30 am)


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#37

PhaseTech
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04 October 2019 12:50 pm

Yep, I like to think of the Iron Bias setting as the "How annoying is this iron" scale. As you get more annoyed, turn it up. You knowingly might be missing the odd good target, but I think this is offset by the extra ground coverage.

I've done some playing on some partially rusted bottle caps, and on normal Iron Bias you still get a confused signal. On the new Iron Bias, some would start to chop up at a setting of 6 or 7, and 9 really sorts them out! I think on a beach where targets are generally spread apart, I would have no problems running the Fe2 very high. But come across a narrow tidal gutter where many targets have accumulated, I'd probably back it off a little.


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#38

Sunny Coast Gold
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06 October 2019 04:24 pm

Hi All
I updated my 800 to the new version but found it to be very jumpy and the tones different from what I'm used to. Anyone else find this? I've put my machine back to previous version as it seems more stable.

#39

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06 October 2019 10:20 pm

Sunny Coast Gold wrote:

Hi All
I updated my 800 to the new version but found it to be very jumpy and the tones different from what I'm used to. Anyone else find this? I've put my machine back to previous version as it seems more stable.

Same here.

#40

Rustynails
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07 October 2019 05:20 pm

I updated my 600 and hit the beach last week, and had a shocker. To be fair, there was a fair bit of black sand about and this may have caused the F2 to cancel some good signals. I was running on beach 1 presets with a gain of 20. After an hour I had not one bottle cap on a beach that normally has plenty. Unfortunately I had no good targets either, (not a single coin) just one matchbox car and a few shallow pull tabs.
I buried a $2 coin at 6 inches and was struggling to hit it, with a very scratchy signal. This surprised me as I normally hit goldies easily on this beach. Again it may have been the black sand. I reduced the f2 and also tried reverting to FE for a slight improvement but still not convincing.
Reverted back to 1.7.5 today but haven’t been back to the beach to try it out yet. Not very scientific I know, but there’s nothing worse than detecting without confidence in your machine. I didn’t need the backlight mod and as a beach detectorist I don’t really find bottle caps a problem. A good beach scoop makes short work of them. Also, when anybody asks me how I’m going, I enjoy pulling a handful of crown seals out of the finds bag, it’s good PR for the detecting community.
School holidays are over and there have been plenty of depositors on the beach so I’ll try again during the week. If I bury a $2 and get the same response on beach1 presets then I’ll know it wasn’t the update causing the poor result.

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#41

Pieces-Of-Eight
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09 October 2019 11:34 pm

Guessologist wrote:
Pieces-Of-Eight wrote:

I'm confused with the @9 setting, unless you are in all metal mode doesn't is discriminate out 9 and below anyway ?

If I'm reading you right, I think where you're getting confused is mixing up iron bias and the accept/reject settings. You're right that the default program rejects IDs of 9 and below, the FE/FE2 iron bias setting changes the likelihood of a given signal to be reported as a negative ferrous ID (more bias, more likely a sketchy signal will be classed as iron). It's not really a setting that filters by the ID numbers, it comes in before the accept/reject is applied. Someone correct me if I've got that wrong....

Thanks #Guessologist I appreciate the clarification. I think its time to hit the beach with some test targets again.
Apologies for the late reply, I was away.

#42

PhaseTech
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21 October 2019 01:35 pm

I was out having a sniff at a new spot and dug a rusty cap. Nice clear signal in Park 1, pretty much running factory presets. So I tried F2 on it and the results are pretty clear, so thought I'd do a quick video to show the difference.


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#43

Wally69
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21 October 2019 01:48 pm

Nice vid PT inlove

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#44

BigL
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22 October 2019 06:50 pm

An excellent example PT of how a discriminated target should sound on a Nox.. something quite difficult to learn from just reading a manual

Last edited by BigL (22 October 2019 06:51 pm)


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#45

Bonacini
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16 January 2020 05:53 pm

Hey peeps just wondering if anyone has stuck with the new update and making it work or is it a no go?

Cheers mike


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#46

Smoky bandit
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16 January 2020 05:57 pm

Yep..I won't change back. smile thumbsup


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#47

Bonacini
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16 January 2020 06:02 pm

Hey thanks for the quick response, what was with the issues with $1 and $2 not being clear as in my parks that’s mainly what I pick up is this still an issue for you or it’s just learning to read the detector to the new update


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#48

Smoky bandit
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16 January 2020 06:19 pm

It definitely helped.But there are still some screw tops that will confuse you and the detector..At least if you don't like the updates you can always go back. smile thumbsup


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#49

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17 January 2020 07:04 am

Works for me too. Agree with Smoky - there are some bottle tops that will still show up as worth digging. One of the most useful features for me is the lower backlight setting to compliment the burn your retinas setting.

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#50

OldGT
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17 January 2020 07:47 am

I dont get out on the beach with my Noxs but for parks and coin hunting the update is def better.

My old fisher still better on goldies mostly,or perhaps I trust it more, but The canadian club and jack daniels style (and the odd V energy) aluminium screw tops are just always going to be dug on any machine I think. I believe it has to do with interepting the conductivity values of target size when they build these programs. No matter how hot I run my old machine you can still never be 100% certain, and its the same with the Nox on this type of cap.

The improvement in the update for me was rusted tops which I think was the idea. Helped chop up the signal so if you swing in a slightly different angle it allocates a more junk signal number more so than than before.

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