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ronniecruisin
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29 July 2019 11:42 am

Hi. All. Now I have a Deus and also knowing quite a bit more about PI machines than I used to I can't help thinking how relatively easy to create an extension of the Deus capabilities by XP could be by making a new PI circuitry Coil but still basically controlled by the standard remote with a Software update to suit. Now wouldn't that be the ants pants XP??? And yes. I know other companies have patents etc. But at least three other companies have successfully produced PI machines. Soooooooooooooo??????????. This would make the Deus a very desirable machine and coupled with its wonderful ease of use it would be an absolute winner. Any thoughts???? playful


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mbasko
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29 July 2019 01:01 pm

A machine that could alternate between Induction Balance (VLF) & Pulse Induction would be very desirable. Something that could transmit both even more so.
Whites were reportedly working on a hybrid IB/PI detector a few years ago (about 2015) & do have a patent for such a machine. Many have been anticipating a release but nothing has come & it's gone very quiet.
Not sure if another company could produce something similar without infringing on Whites?


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ronniecruisin
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29 July 2019 03:02 pm

The design I'm suggesting does not run together. XP could use the same Double D coil as now. The PI electronics in the middle and the Mono wiring around the outside as is common now. Soooo. To change you simply swap the coil. Choose the PI mode on the remote and away you go. The whites version of PI as in the SPP they introduced was a fairly simple PI design.(I had one) And it worked quite well. What Im saying is if three other companies were able to produce and sell a PI and not get done for it surely another company could do likewise. Imagine..XPs magic wireless setup with a PI capability. Bring it on I say.?


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mbasko
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29 July 2019 05:37 pm

Yep even one machine that could alternate between IB & PI would be good but for me it would be best if it was a seamless change over with no swapping coils etc. Coil technology might be the bigger hurdle?

I'm not sure what's covered in the Whites patent but there may be hurdles there for other companies looking at hybrids or dual IB/PI detectors?
It's a bit more complex than different manufacturers having PI detectors - from what I'm aware of the basic PI design came from Eric Foster which was never patented. It's how that basic platform is changed by additional patented technology that stops manufacturers copying for instance with Minelabs DVT, MPS, MPF, SETA etc. They can't stop anyone making a PI detector but they can stop someone making one with any of their patented technologies. VLF's are the same - base IB technology but patented additions.


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ronniecruisin
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29 July 2019 06:15 pm

Hmmmmm. Don't know if there would be enough room in one coil for both circuits? Personally It wouldn't bother me at all to change coils. In the Deus as you know its just pull out the end shaft and bung in another with the new coil on. And running both technologies simultaneously may not even be possible. And yes. Certain patented things you mentioned would not be possible but as others have proven I believe it should be possible to have some version of PI in the Deus. Even without some of these fancy software tricks it would still be amazing to have the PI ability in the Deus in any form. And as I said even the Whites machine worked quite well without the fancy add ons you mentioned. And it was deep too. It picked up an old penny at around two feet deep with a good strong signal. Not half bad for a basic PI with no bells and whistles.! Now imagine having that ability in your knapsack in the form of a spare quick change coil for your Deus. I'd be quite happy with that cool


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Ded Driver
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29 July 2019 08:03 pm

OR, would be really good if they could further develop the VLF circuitry to better handle mineralisation.


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ronniecruisin
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29 July 2019 08:22 pm

Sorry to disappoint you Ded Driver. That will never happen because of the constraints of VLF. I've had it from a detector builder. VLF has been taken as far as it will go. The physical limit has been reached!


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Ded Driver
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29 July 2019 10:09 pm

ronniecruisin wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you Ded Driver. That will never happen because of the constraints of VLF. I've had it from a detector builder. VLF has been taken as far as it will go. The physical limit has been reached!

interesting what Minelab have done with VLF over recent years with the CTX & Equinox Multi Frequency & the Gold Monster 'Ultra-wide dynamic range' .... some further tweaks may still be possible
we can always wish smile


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ronniecruisin
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29 July 2019 10:43 pm

Yes. Interesting. But they can tweak em forever but a VLF will never go as deep as a PI in mineralized ground. I've personally dug a target at post hole shovel depth with a PI. You wont ever have to do that with a VLF.


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