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#26

Ridge Runner
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11 January 2019 01:20 pm

condor22 wrote:

For me, the only devices I would never run a fridge directly from my Honda. It pays to monitor fuel levels in generators. It doesn't take much experience to gauge a low level, to then disconnect the electrics stop the genny and re fuel.

Any brand of 12VDC fridge should be connected to a battery. Then if you need to charge that battery via genny the smart charger acts as a "buffer" re the voltage/current and the battery also buffers the device. The "buffering" affect applies to a 240VAC charger, a DC-DC charger or a solar controller.

My battery charger is a bit OTT, it's a workshop model on wheels and puts out 35Amps on charge and on boost it puts out about 310/320 Amps and does 12v/24v, It has 3 settings for the charging side of things, with my Deep cycle battery I always pick the lowest setting because it seems to charge these 115A/h batteries better, But for a camping Trailer I am going to get one about a 1/3rd of the size/power,

I bought a Snap On Battery Charger once with a Timer on it and it would put out 700 Amps on Boost, but for charging batteries under 100/120 Amps It was useless, even using the 90 minute timer, It killed 3 of my batteries in a week, I think my next charger will be between 5 and 15 amps max.


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#27

ctxkid
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11 January 2019 01:53 pm

condor22 wrote:

For me, the only devices I would never run a fridge directly from my Honda. It pays to monitor fuel levels in generators. It doesn't take much experience to gauge a low level, to then disconnect the electrics stop the genny and re fuel.

Any brand of 12VDC fridge should be connected to a battery. Then if you need to charge that battery via genny the smart charger acts as a "buffer" re the voltage/current and the battery also buffers the device. The "buffering" affect applies to a 240VAC charger, a DC-DC charger or a solar controller.

any Engel that i know of in the last 10yrs at least will run straight from a solar panel power thumbsup

a 60 watt panel will happily power the fridge of up to about 60-70 lt capacity (anything that draws under 3.36 amps while running wink


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#28

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11 January 2019 02:13 pm

Ridge Runner wrote:
stoyve wrote:

G'day John,
Have you ever thought of changing your name to
"Fridge Runner"?
Just sayin playful
Cheers Steve

Steve I wish I'd thought of that LOL,

I must admit I do like buying new toys, but keep that to ya self,

I gotta do something to pass the time, The weather is freezing here and the doctor has banned me from detecting for 18 months to 2 years, still getting over the side effects of the open heart surgery, the left side of my chest is still very tender and there is a load of other stuff going on with my legs where they took the veins out, They are a mess, I got more Scars than Frankenstein skull

My days of a being a super model are over cry sad

Ha haa,
There is aways someone for you mate. perfect


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#29

Ded Driver
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11 January 2019 02:24 pm

I was told a long time ago to never run a car fridge off a Genset due to surges.
Ive been running my ARB 47L off a Dual Purpose Cranking battery for the last 6 years with no problems (with care taken not to flatten it).
Ive just installed a dual battery system with a Projector 45A DC-DC charge controller (with mppt solar input) & a 100W solar panel. My ARB fridge draws 5.1A (@12V) when it cycles on, & the solar panel delivers around 5-10A for most of the day, & so far it seems to keep up very well with the fridge. Ive made provision for a 2nd solar panel if needed but so far not reqd. I rarely go more than 3 days without starting the vehicle anyway, so the Aux battery gets topped-up then if needed.


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#30

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11 January 2019 02:42 pm

Ded Driver wrote:

I was told a long time ago to never run a car fridge off a Genset due to surges.
Ive been running my ARB 47L off a Dual Purpose Cranking battery for the last 6 years with no problems (with care taken not to flatten it).
Ive just installed a dual battery system with a Projector 45A DC-DC charge controller (with mppt solar input) & a 100W solar panel. My ARB fridge draws 5.1A (@12V) when it cycles on, & the solar panel delivers around 5-10A for most of the day, & so far it seems to keep up very well with the fridge. Ive made provision for a 2nd solar panel if needed but so far not reqd. I rarely go more than 3 days without starting the vehicle anyway, so the Aux battery gets topped-up then if needed.

Yeah ARB Quote those figures in the manual but when you do the maths with the actual run time as a fridge they use about 0.475 to about 0.80 amps per hour, In cooler climes they will use even less, On AC the highest I have recorded is 0.346 Amps per hour and on the wattage side of things it was using 9.375 watts per hour over a 48 hr period, I really can't fault the power usage of the ARB 47L, This is why I went with ARB again, I am seriously impressed with how ARB fridges perform.


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#31

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11 January 2019 08:27 pm

Bought this Honda beast in 2008 along with our new caravan.
I lift it onto the ute and there it stays for duration of our prospecting trips.
https://www.generatorplace.com.au/produ … 6QEALw_wcB

Runs all the van electrics + onboard battery charger including Ibis aircon. Only used when we have had cloud cover all day blanketing the solar.
Also connected to my "box of tricks" that looks after the two Engels and tops up batteries.

Prospecting-173.jpg


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#32

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11 January 2019 08:39 pm

Struth, if that don't work nothing will, I have a 300w inverter and a 600 and a 1000w one but I want one that can handle about 2000watts just so I can run a microwave over, I don't need anything bigger than that but trying to find a genuine 2k inverter on ebay that is actually 2000w is a problem because you don't know if the reviews are real or not, I have ordered a few things that where meant to be UK sellers that turned out to be in china and then I spend the next 2 weeks waiting for the postman,


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#33

Ded Driver
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11 January 2019 08:55 pm

RR have you looked at these? 2800W PSW $310
Ive bought from Kogan several times & find them fairly honest in what they sell
https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/pure-sine- … w-giandel/

or this one 2500W PSW for $359
https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/2500w-pure … -inverter/

Last edited by Ded Driver (11 January 2019 08:57 pm)


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#34

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11 January 2019 09:02 pm

Ded Driver wrote:

RR have you looked at these? 2800W PSW $310
Ive bought from Kogan several times & find them fairly honest in what they sell
https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/pure-sine- … w-giandel/

or this one 2500W PSW for $359
https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/2500w-pure … -inverter/

Thanks DD I will check em out, that's the size I need because there is a bit of wiggle room on the top end. thumbsup


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#35

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12 January 2019 10:59 am

RR, have a 2500W inverter bought from eBay (China) mounted it in the boot of the van and use it with our bread maker, works a treat. Haven't tried it with the microwave because it's built in and a pain to pull out to get to the three pin plug.

There are a few "Bewares" with people using inverters in caravans.
A mate of mine blew his inverter up and it could have been worse with injury or loss of van.
When he used his inverter he used to plug it into one of his 3 pin outlets in his van, which powered the whole van 240V circuit.
It worked OK until one day he forgot to unplug the inverter before connecting the van to the grid.
POOF!!!!! Lots of smoke. No more inverter. bomb


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#36

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12 January 2019 11:37 am

Nightjar wrote:

RR, have a 2500W inverter bought from eBay (China) mounted it in the boot of the van and use it with our bread maker, works a treat. Haven't tried it with the microwave because it's built in and a pain to pull out to get to the three pin plug.

There are a few "Bewares" with people using inverters in caravans.
A mate of mine blew his inverter up and it could have been worse with injury or loss of van.
When he used his inverter he used to plug it into one of his 3 pin outlets in his van, which powered the whole van 240V circuit.
It worked OK until one day he forgot to unplug the inverter before connecting the van to the grid.
POOF!!!!! Lots of smoke. No more inverter. bomb

That seems to be a very strange setup, Nightjar. To plug it into a caravan outlet, he must have had 3 pin male plugs on both ends of the lead. I've been using a 600w pure sine wave inverter in my van for the past 15 years by just connecting the lead from the inverter straight into the 240v input socket which must be disconnected before hooking up to grid or generator power.

Jeff


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#37

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12 January 2019 12:22 pm

Well my Fridge Saga has all turn to $**t, I ordered and paid for it on Wednesday and it should of been here by Thursday or Friday, I phoned the shop they said it would be here today/Friday, I phoned the freight company and as far as they are concerned they have no such package and I don't exist on their computers and deny knowing anything about the bloody thing, I got on to the Shop and they said they will check the CCTV and sure enough they saw it being loaded in to the van, The company never signed for it or Scanned it in to their system.

He then gets back on to the company and tells them, they then find it in their Depot sitting on a pallet and said they could deliver it next week, I told the shop NO because I am going away next week that was the whole Idea of ordering the fridge so then they said about sending to where I am going I said NO because I won't be able to get it home,

So then they asked what did I want to have them do, I said that fridge should be in one or 2 places ONE being in my possession and TWO being back at the Shop and as far as I am concerned they have not signed for it, they have not Scanned it So as far as I am concerned they have Stolen It, He then said what shall we do I said get it back to the SHOP ASAP because I don't want it sitting in a warehouse where it could get damaged, Stolen or caught up in a fire etc, I said get it back to the Shop today, I do not want it if it is going to sit in the Freight companies workshop for 2 or 3 weeks, They have no entitlement to it So it needs to be returned to You. And we will make a new plan in a couple of weeks.

So what should of been a Joyous event has turned to Crap, sad mad devil bomb

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#38

Nightjar
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12 January 2019 12:43 pm

snafu wrote:

That seems to be a very strange setup, Nightjar. To plug it into a caravan outlet, he must have had 3 pin male plugs on both ends of the lead.
Jeff

Jeff, that's exactly what the clown did. I did question him at the time how he plugged into the van leaving the inverter connected?
Not only exposed himself or others to electrocution but serious consequences making an illegal extension lead. Double male plug.
***It is clearly advertised you don't plug generators into your home grid wiring during power failures. There has been instances where linesmen have been electrocuted while working down the line on power failures. The same goes for inverters.***


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#39

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12 January 2019 02:05 pm

In my first van I had my inverter hard wired to the van and it was wired into the mains circuit breaker. However there was also a DPDT switch in the system, so I had to select mains or Inverter, never both at the same time. To make sure, I would manually trip the circuit breaker before switching between mains and inverter.

That is the only safe way to wire them, if wired permanently to vans GPOs. The inverter was not big enough to run the M/wave or Aircon, but was in effect wired to all of the 240VAC GPOs, so the only thing to remember was not use either of them. Had I, the inverter would overload and trip, blowing the fuse, so again no problem.

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