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TheMediocritist
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30 January 2018 05:38 pm

I’m seeking feedback on an idea. I’m thinking about making a set of maps that cover the whole of Victoria, which clearly identify:
* exempted rivers and streams (no prospecting)
* National Park and State Park areas (no prospecting)
* other areas e.g. gazetted water catchments where prospecting is explicitly prohibited
* private property (permission required)
* areas within parks that explicitly allow prospecting
* alluvial gold producing areas (historic and recent)
* known mine and reef locations

I started working on a couple of maps for my own use, covering the East and West of Gippsland. In the process, I ended up with near-complete statewide spatial layers for the first two items on the list, and thought “why not use them”?

So my idea is to produce a series of moderately detailed maps that can be used with the GPS functionality in Avenza Maps to guide where to prospect and where to avoid. Not detailed enough for navigation or bushwalking though. These would be made freely available of course.

Let me know what you think. If there’s interest, I’ll be asking for volunteers who can assist with research and with beta testing. For example there is a Spring Creek on the exempted list. There are literally dozens of Spring Creeks in the state. The only way to find out which Spring Creek they mean is by referring back to old government gazettes (or some other way, which is where the help comes in). Conversely, the Jordan River above the Thomson dam does not appear on the list, but it’s physically signposted as a no go area and gazetted with a recommendation to exclude.

There’s a bit of work involved. Not too much though. I’m happy to cover the Gippsland end, and to digitise the prospecting areas in the parks.

Good idea or no?

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30 January 2018 05:47 pm

well me i would say its a good idea for all the oldies and newbies alike to have something that is that handy to use thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


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30 January 2018 06:19 pm

That sounds like a great idea. Im from west gippsland and im not very tech savy. I would be very interested.

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30 January 2018 06:27 pm

I’m sure many people would be interested

Good idea - It’s a Yes from me


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30 January 2018 07:05 pm

I find it hard to find local maps sad

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30 January 2018 07:07 pm

I believe that Avenza is only available for iPhone though, or am I mistaken?
I use GeoVic to develop an area map (with the appropriate layers added) of where I want to detect, then georeference it and download to Avenza.
Takes only 15 mins or so. Have 41 maps loaded.


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30 January 2018 07:23 pm

Great idea thumbsup wrong state lol Victoria seems reasonably easy to find what is public access thumbsup , NSW is like the da vinci code lol


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TheMediocritist
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30 January 2018 07:25 pm

BigWave wrote:

I believe that Avenza is only available for iPhone though, or am I mistaken?

Android too. In any case, they’d be PDFs that can be loaded into other apps, or printed out if people can find a large A0 plotter.

I use GeoVic to develop an area map (with the appropriate layers added) of where I want to detect, then georeference it and download to Avenza.
Takes only 15 mins or so. Have 41 maps loaded.

Nice. I have access to aerial photography at work, so I do similar with them. Then I use Avenza to mark target sites, record dates and results, add photos etc.

Good to see support for the idea, I’ll press on with it. Don’t be afraid to point out the pitfalls though. I can think of a couple. Liability, more people finding the good spots... neutral

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31 January 2018 08:59 am

A little preview. The uploading messed up the colours a bit.
* Red lines are the Exempted Rivers and Streams list. There's a bit of work to do fixing and cleaning this. We'll also need to decide when to classify a tributary as part of the river. For example, is [XXX] River East Branch to be exempted if [XXX] River is on the list? I would think so, but it could be argued.
* Shaded pink is parks and reserves (no prospecting)
* Light green is unreserved crown land and state forest
* Brighter green is designated prospecting and fossicking areas within parks and reserves. I've digitised 4 of these, so there are more to come.

1517349185_prospecting_predraft.jpg

Last edited by TheMediocritist (31 January 2018 09:29 am)

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31 January 2018 10:55 am

Hi TheMediocritist.
Love your work there.
I would be happy to buy it for a fee from you.
I know some people will get on the bag wagon and say you can get it for free, just Google and read, yes it try. my reading skills are bad, and time, I a picture person. so love your work. happy to pay for it, that just me.
Cheers Crow Pickens thumbsup thumbsup


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31 January 2018 05:46 pm

Crow Pickens wrote:

I would be happy to buy it for a fee from you.

Great! I only take payment in gold though. tongue
Oh, okay, beer then. big_smile

I kid. If I get this done it will be done for the satisfaction of doing, and if it helps anybody else, that’s a bonus.
Plus I’ll be using some data under CC license as well as various bits gathered from the work of others so taking money for it wouldn’t be right.

I’ve started the final cut of the exempted rivers and streams, double and triple checked against the official list. I’m still on Cs but there’s only one on the list that doesn’t exist so far:
* Bream Creek (see Thompsons)
* Thompson's Creek (Bream Creek) Tributary of La Trobe Creek
There’s a Thompson’s Creek that runs out at Breamlea west of Barwon Heads, but it’s not a tributary of La Trobe Creek. I’m guessing some bored government pencil pusher screwed up somewhere in history...

I’m adding in _all_ the East Branch/West Branch tributaries. There are a couple I’d be willing to challenge though.

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31 January 2018 06:35 pm

Awesome work TM thumbsup

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31 January 2018 09:02 pm

Well done TM,
I like the way you think. thumbsup
Cheers Dolphin.


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31 January 2018 09:29 pm

Nice job.
When you look at the whole state there really isn't much are to prospect...

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01 February 2018 06:22 am

Ilikecash wrote:

Nice job.
When you look at the whole state there really isn't much are to prospect...

Looking at a map, it does feel like that. But when I go bush those little green patches are actually enormous.

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02 February 2018 04:46 pm

Okay, time for the community to help.

The exempted rivers and streams layer is complete. But I’m sure it still has errors. What I need is for some of you to have a look over the areas you know well, and let me know if you find any bits missing, bits where you think they shouldn’t be etc. But in addition to spotting errors, feedback on areas you’re confident are correct is also useful.

Below is a Google kmz file. It’ll load into Google Earth and/or some GPSs. Please don’t rely on it alone though; I’m 100% certain there are mistakes in it, so don’t think my dodgy work will hold up in court. cool

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oi0ol2774on5 … 1.kmz?dl=0

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03 February 2018 03:11 am

I started this a while back,then decided it was too powerful for those undeserving who would jump fences and ruin it for those trying to do the right thing.

My DB is private but gathered from public sources.


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03 February 2018 08:03 am

malri_au wrote:

I started this a while back,then decided it was too powerful for those undeserving who would jump fences and ruin it for those trying to do the right thing.

That sounds about right. I’m leaning towards classifying lands and waterways as ‘prospecting allowed’ and ‘prospecting not allowed’ and leaving off the gold occurrence bits.

That way, people who are trying to do the right thing will be better equipped to do so. It’s not easy when the government provides a list that is riddled with errors and/or difficult to match to the real world. The more we can help people to do the right thing, the better?

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03 February 2018 11:35 am

It's all good to put all the gold stuff on the map,the problem arises when some of it falls on private leases etc.and this changes constantly with tenement updates/forfeits/renewals.

I just personally think it's better to direct them to use their states applicable geoservers,make them learn how to use them,if they can't,get help from someone who can.

The info could very easily be abused by unscrupulous people.

Some strikes appear in national parks and off limit places,last thing we need is those being dug up.

Bad enough I went up moliagul lookout not long ago and just inside the entrance was a trailer load of dumped crap.tv's,matresses,various househould crap.dissapointing.

I could explain more but I've already said enough as to why I decided not to pursue it.

There's already guys selling all the gold gps locations on ebay for $50 a pop,we know where they came from though(public database).


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03 February 2018 08:56 pm

malri_au wrote:

I just personally think it's better to direct them to use their states applicable geoservers,make them learn how to use them,if they can't,get help from someone who can.

That would be good, if the detail was there. But a key piece of information for Victorians is the exempted rivers and streams list, and it’s not available on any government websites except in a list that is full of typos and geographic errors. I even doubt the department responsible has mapped them for their own use (I’ll ask a friend who worked there until last year).

An unscrupulous person could print that list and use it in defense of prospecting in known gold bearing rivers that are not on the list despite being exempted in 1914.

I’ll have to think about the tenements issue.

Some strikes appear in national parks and off limit places,last thing we need is those being dug up.

And yet they are. I’ve come across dozens of threads in this forum where people are inadvertently going where they shouldn’t, or advising others to do so. We can’t stop bad people from doing bad things, but anything that helps good people do the right thing can only increase the chances of our hobby continuing.

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03 February 2018 10:59 pm

good idea but ...... just wanta point out some stuff

1 if using Google maps you'll need their full permission even if its just a basic overlay map to use their maps

2 with so called good spots it may become like Dunolly very flogged and you'll always get people jumping fences and dredging creeks and excavating old mine mullock heaps if its shown as rich on a map or any records

3 I would put a disclaimer on it saying the maps and things put on it may be not marked in exact locations etc. and your not responsible for any injury or death from mine shafts that are marked or not marked on your map or other dangers like waterfalls steep 4x4 tracks closed tracks etc. basically just covering yourself. in case someone wants to sue you for the smallest thing

4 also you want to copyright your work if you don't someone may take your idea and make it their own before you can publish your maps.

there's a whole lot else I can say but for now these would be the key issues.


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04 February 2018 01:06 am

TheMediocritist wrote:
malri_au wrote:

I just personally think it's better to direct them to use their states applicable geoservers,make them learn how to use them,if they can't,get help from someone who can.

That would be good, if the detail was there. But a key piece of information for Victorians is the exempted rivers and streams list, and it’s not available on any government websites except in a list that is full of typos and geographic errors. I even doubt the department responsible has mapped them for their own use (I’ll ask a friend who worked there until last year).

An unscrupulous person could print that list and use it in defense of prospecting in known gold bearing rivers that are not on the list despite being exempted in 1914.

I’ll have to think about the tenements issue.

Some strikes appear in national parks and off limit places,last thing we need is those being dug up.

And yet they are. I’ve come across dozens of threads in this forum where people are inadvertently going where they shouldn’t, or advising others to do so. We can’t stop bad people from doing bad things, but anything that helps good people do the right thing can only increase the chances of our hobby continuing.

roll you didn't know about this Govt website - plenty of information too! roll http://earthresources.vic.gov.au/earth- … nd-streams note that some spellings are historical so are really not typos. Why the list came into existstance was originally an ammendment to the then conditions of the Miners Right which previously during the "rushes" allowed holders to "occupy their claim" ie construct a dwelling on or camp on their claim. Miners Right claims haven't been available for decades now but the list lives on - probably for the management of water quality and other enviromental reasons....

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04 February 2018 05:03 am

casper wrote:

That would be good, if the detail was there. But a key piece of information for Victorians is the exempted rivers and streams list, and it’s not available on any government websites except in a list that is full of typos and geographic errors. I even doubt the department responsible has mapped them for their own use (I’ll ask a friend who worked there until last year).

This is why if you're ever in doubt you should contact them and ask for clarification.

Say I'm not sure on a river/stream/area,you can always contact them and ask for clarification.

make sure you have as much evidence in your favor if it's one of those yay or nay things.

That's what they're there for,public servants.

I'm not trying to start any shitfight other than to say,first I read up,if the read up isn't concise,I escalate shite.

The best thing you can show a ranger or a copper or anyone else out there is the maps and info proving right of presence.

I can't understand why the PMAV for vic,(i'm not entirely familiar with nsw) haven't already dragged this through the mud and got it clarified?


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04 February 2018 07:13 am

casper wrote:

roll you didn't know about this Govt website - plenty of information too! roll http://earthresources.vic.gov.au/earth- … nd-streams note that some spellings are historical so are really not typos.

Hey! Don’t roll your eyes at me! tongue

Of course I know about that list, it’s the one I’m talking about. But it’s wrong from the additions and clarifications they’ve made as well as historical spellings and name changes.

For example, would you say I am allowed to prospect in the Dargo River that’s just to my north-west?

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08 February 2018 08:28 am

Avenza Maps is available for Ipad. Doug Stone's Goldfield map series can be purchased to run on it. I think there is a concession if you buy the whole series and its about $120 ish for the whole lot. I think it works out to about about $4/map.

I went to the golden triangle earlier this week and tried it out. As the map gives positional data it works great......you can see exactly where you are and not finding gold.
I gave it away and came back home to Gippsland as it got too hot. Also the gum trees starting dropping branches which frightened the crap out of me when it happened about 50metres away.

The Mediocritist - I applaud your work. If you need help, yell out. I'm not sure what assistance I could offer but as a retiree I do have time to offer.

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