Thanks tm, he brought it as an scrounger and did quite well on the beaches/park scene (paid for itself but he's keen and been at it since we were kids) and mates rates plays a part in my decision. I would love a dedicated gold machine, but most of my detecting in coin shoot, although in my short time using the vlf style out on the Goldfields i understand just how tough it can be so i can appreciate is just a bonus. Took a mates t2 out for a week with the 5 inch coil hit the lead which is great and a little peice but it really suffered to gb properly, in exchange for showing him around a few new spots, bit in saying that these modern machines have really come ahead in leaps and bounds so after not having one for a few years I'm keen to get back into it. What model do you run, coil setup etc and have you had much luck? I liked the t2, seemed fairly operator friendly, very light, and excellent options.