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#26

Dreamwalking
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07 February 2016 06:00 pm

Baldy ... I cant say that I disagree with you in that they have made it harder for less abled people, more so the elderly in that the gate closures are having them walk a greater distance to fossicking spots.
Years back I recall when anyone could drive through the area and see trailer loads of dumped rubbish, now it is closed. I think we all know that anytime a change occurs it is generally the resolve of a discussion by the those that had to deal with a problem, In our case the Woods and Forestry's Dept, very likely one or more of the decision makers would have suggested .. "lets close it to public and we will never have a problem" .. luckily it is still open to the public but with restrictions, which appear to be aimed at what they considered was causing their problem, vehicles entering and unloading rubbish or dumping and setting fire to stolen cars in a commercially grown pine forests.

I think we are also lucky that we are not yet going down the path of change as seen in Vic .. www.change.org/p/victorian-enviroment-minister-lisa-neville-victorian-premier-daniel-andrews-say-no-to-the-proposed-great-forest-national-park?recruiter=106073105&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-reason_msg.

In the event you want to challenge their gate ruling be tactful and avoid stepping on toes because we are now in a time of budget cuts and each government department is looking for income, I would rather have a walk than face a sign that reads ... KEEP OUT or TRESSPASSES WILL BE PROSECUTED <<< these signs raise revenue and cost less to enforce than does a $5 day access fee per person and the monitoring of those people.

Peter.


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#27

Baldy
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10 February 2016 01:33 pm

Thank you for your time, I would like to discuss with you the possibility of unlocking the gates blocking vehicle access to the roads within the Designated fossicking area of Mt Crawford..Many people that I have spoked with have expressed the same concern .Hoping this letter can start some conversation on this matter..Yours sincerely ..copy of email sent to forestry..


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#28

Baldy
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18 February 2016 09:07 am

Hi Graham

The gates surrounding the “Fossicking area” are closed for a reason as you will find most SA forest areas are gated shut, fenced or have barriers. The forests of the Mount Lofty ranges are primarily sustainable commercial forests and offer some additional value for recreation. Vehicle entry to these areas, are by law of the Forestry Act 2013, restricted to authorised operational personnel, contractors and event organisers (on application) who may require authorised vehicle access.

As with most forest areas, the “fossicking area” has in the past been highly impacted by unauthorised vehicle entry before having gates and barriers installed in about 2010. Although there is still some impact by those few who make it difficult for responsible forest users, the damage and associated impacts have reduce to some degree by regulating access.

In the past few years ForestrySA has trailed the use of a combination lock installed into the chain at one of the access gates into this area specifically for fossickers. Over this trial period the combo lock was incorrectly used, not locked into the chain correctly, abused damaged at the expense of replacing it frequently. The combination number was also starting to fall into the wrong hands by word of mouth and therefore defeating its purpose for being there in the first place. It was subsequently removed as it was becoming difficult and costly to administer.

So, the answer to your request is: I cannot in the near future see the regulations for vehicular access to be relaxed. Fossickers, as required by other recreational forest users, need to park vehicles as close as possible to the forest area they wish to enter and access by foot from that point.

Regards

Bruno Turrini
MT CRAWFORD RANGER
FORESTRYSA
Phone: (08) 8521 1701
Fax: (08) 8521 1799
Mobile: 0408 824 281
Email: turrini.bruno@forestrysa.com.au
Web: www.forestrysa.com.au


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#29

DropBear
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18 February 2016 09:50 am

Good that they got back to you...

Bad that there will be no access, time to find a new spot?

A few bad eggs will spoil it for everyone... sad

#30

mbasko
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18 February 2016 09:59 am

Yep sounds like the pisspoor minority ruined it again.


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#31

Baldy
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18 February 2016 08:29 pm

https://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/ … .48.UN.PDF this is the forestry act ,Ranger has quoted giving them the right to close off the roads in the dedicated fossicking area..lets see what it says..Just read it and it doesn't say any where that access can denied ..and anything that gives them the right to lock gates..I will get back to that gentleman and ask a few further questions..

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Baldy
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18 February 2016 08:59 pm

Thank you for your reply, after reading the forestry act 2013, I cannot see any thing giving the authority to chain off roads in the fossicking area in daylight hours. If it is written there would you be able to quote the passage.Thank you...copy of email sent in reply...

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#33

Tassie Daz
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18 February 2016 09:39 pm

Go easy fellas. They may only want half an excuse to keep us out altogether. And given its really the only half reasonable place to go in SA that's not private property, we best be thankful for what we have. It aint perfect, but it is what it is. And the only alternative is to get in the car and drive to the Golden Triangle or the "wild west".


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#34

Baldy
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18 February 2016 10:13 pm

Daz, we are very lucky in South Australia,and were not a convict state, and we are able to stand up for our rights..and they will not be able to do anything , they do not have the legislation to do..I believe they have acted in their own interests and are not looking after Fossickers..Lets see if they have the legislation to back it up..which one is you in the photo..


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#35

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18 February 2016 10:17 pm

Can't you tell,... Daz has a wing man with him ! glasses wink


What a great day ! ,... " I'll see you in the field ".

#36

mbasko
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18 February 2016 10:59 pm

Not right but I think they've got it covered in the Act & Regulations?
SA Forestry Act 1950
21—Regulations
The Governor may make such regulations as are contemplated by, or necessary or expedient for the purposes of, this Act. Without limiting the generality of subsection (1), the regulations may— (a) provide for the control, management and protection of forest reserves and all other property belonging to, or under the control or management of, the Corporation; (b) prohibit or regulate access to, use of or conduct on land belonging to, or under the control or management of, the Corporation;

SA Forestry Regulations 2013
Part 2—Entrance to reserves or parts of reserves
6—Prohibition of entrance by notice
A person must not, without lawful authority, enter or remain in a forest reserve or part of a forest reserve contrary to the terms of notices erected with the approval of the Corporation at the entrances to that reserve or that part of the reserve. Maximum penalty: $750. Expiation fee: $105.

24—Compliance with notices and signs
A person must not, without lawful authority, contravene or fail to comply with a direction by the Corporation regulating or prohibiting— (a) the driving or parking of a vehicle in a forest reserve or part of a forest reserve;

Are there any signs up?

Don't know why they can't use permit system out of the regulations though? Maybe issue keys & permit with drivers license & a key bond/deposit of $50 or something.
26—Display of certain permits in vehicles
(1) If a permit authorises the driver or passengers of a motor vehicle (other than a motor bike)— (a) to enter or remain in a forest reserve; or
(b) to drive the vehicle in a forest reserve; or
(c) to camp overnight in a forest reserve,
a person to whom the permit applies must, when acting pursuant to the permit in a forest reserve, ensure that the permit is displayed in the vehicle in accordance with this regulation while the vehicle is in the reserve. Maximum penalty: $750. Expiation fee: $105.


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#37

Baldy
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18 February 2016 11:53 pm

Hi Mbasko, surley any notices to stop access would have to be in relation to safety ..ie working in the area or any unsafe situations..and that all....and there are no signs..you can drive through the non native forest ..pines..but most roads are gated and locked for no reason but to keep cars out so that they are able the quickly check that ever one has left by 4 pm so that they can knock off..and lock the front gates..I thought act 2013 said access was available 1 hr after sunrise and an hr before sunset.. (Vehicle entry to these areas, are by law of the Forestry Act 2013, restricted to authorised operational personnel, contractors and event organisers (on application) who may require authorised vehicle access.).......10—Use of vehicles
(1) A person must not, without lawful authority, drive or ride a vehicle in a forest reserve. Maximum penalty: $750.
Expiation fee: $105.
(2) Subregulation (1) does not apply to a person who drives or rides a vehicle in a forest reserve other than a native forest reserve—
(a) on an established road or track (other than a road or track or part of a road or track that has been closed off by a sign or barrier erected with the approval of the Corporation); or
(b) within 5 metres either side of such a road or track for the purpose only of parking or turning the vehicle.
(3) A person must not leave a vehicle in a position that obstructs other vehicles from entering, leaving or proceeding along a road or track in a forest reserve.
Maximum penalty: $750.
Expiation fee: $105.
(4) A warden may remove, or cause to be removed, a vehicle left in contravention of subregulation (3) and the Corporation may recover the reasonable costs of removal from the owner of the vehicle as a debt due to the Corporation..................................""""It's a forest reserve not a native forest reserve...""""No where does it say access is only for workers,and events..

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#38

Baldy
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19 February 2016 12:14 am

Maybe 10,(2)..(a) on an established road or track (other than a road or track or part of a road or track that has been closed off by a sign or barrier erected with the approval of the Corporation); May cook our goose..we will see.


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#39

yobskin
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19 February 2016 06:47 am

Thats how it started up here... then the signs...then forestry patrols...then no more prospecting.....


Try and try again...

#40

Baldy
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19 February 2016 08:58 am

Baldy wrote:

Maybe 10,(2)..(a) on an established road or track (other than a road or track or part of a road or track that has been closed off by a sign or barrier erected with the approval of the Corporation); May cook our goose..we will see.

Reading that again, I believe it is about temp closure of a road for safety's reasons and not permanent closures like they are doing..waiting for their reply..


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#41

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19 February 2016 05:46 pm

I remember roaming around Mt Crawford in my 20's detecting and gem fossicking, and there was free access to drive just about anywhere. Of course areas of harvesting activities were temporarily signposted, though you could literally drive up to any of the marked mineral/gem localities on their pamphlets with no troubles.

I think one of the main issues in the area aside from the waste dumping and stolen car bodies, was the ruining of wet tracks by week-end warriors in their four wheel drives. Some of the roads would become impassable due to ripping up of those real slippery clay tracks during the winter months, making access very difficult for the forestry guys as well as prospectors. I feel that this where costs blow outs exist on repairing and re-dressing the tracks vs the odd car body or dumped waste. There is also the issue of asset management, espsecially with regards to fires in the plantations. Closing off these areas obviously limits the possibility of deliberate or accidental lighting of fires.

I must admit I was surprised in more recent years visiting the area, on how many of those favourite spots are now locked up, requiring a hefty hike to get anywhere near them. Whilst I don't have an issue of packing a detector and roaming around the area, I do feel for the older generation who have now been effectively limited to where they can go, especially with medical or physical issues. Not to mention how far you would need to hike if bitten by a snake, injured, or faced with a bushfire (yes they do occur on none fire ban days).

Sometimes I would park down near Sailors Gully, and hike all over the area, with the unnerving knowledge that my car was prone to break in and theft, not to mention the expensive gear that prospectors typically have sitting in their vehicles. Having to walk everywhere does severely limit the amount of time you have to prospect, not to mention having to be back at your car before the main gates are closed for the day. To avoid this I would usually stick to Rocky Creek Road/Watts Gully Roads which are permanently open public gazzetted roads.

Not sure what can be done about it, nor what could be a practical solution, though I'm sure it will be very hard to reverse such decision once implemented. At least fossicking is still relatively unhindered, aside from direct access, though unfortunately the areas that are easily accessed, are the ones that get a regular hammering.


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#42

Baldy
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19 February 2016 07:25 pm

Thanks for that report Goldpick. I'm going to shake their tree and see what falls out..waiting for their reply, I don't think the have the authority to lock it up during the day, but are doing it because it is convenient for them..


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#43

Baldy
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25 February 2016 08:00 am

Regulation 10 Use of Vehicles:

(1) A person must not, without lawful authority, drive or ride a vehicle in a forest reserve.

(2) Sub regulation (1) does not apply to a person who drives or rides a vehicle in a forest reserve other than a native forest reserve
(a) On an established road or track ( other than a road or track or part thereof, that has been closed off by a sign or barrier erected with the approval of the Corporation).....copy of email received from forestry yesterday..2a..is what they are saying..Sign or barrier erected with the approval of the corporation..My thought is that this would be done for safety reasons if they were working in a perticular area so it could be closed ..next move is to asks what the guide lines are for the corporation to put these signs and barriers up.


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#44

Baldy
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26 February 2016 06:40 pm

1456472391_image.jpegI would have thought this is a valid reason for road closure,not for the convenience of staff like in the dedicated fossicking area at Mt Crawford.....copy of email sent to forestry SA.. Shaking the tree..

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#45

Tassie Daz
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19 March 2016 08:20 pm

An Update on this item. Today I drove from Kadina to Mt Crawford, some 2 1/4 Hrs one way, paid my $5, and then found that the only places I could access Mt Crawford was Watts Gully Rd, Rocky Creek Rd, and the picnic grounds. Now I get that I could have walked in but with a 2k walk one way and a crook ticker, there's no way I could have lasted. The Forestry Rangers would have had to open up to let an Ambulance in to pick me up. I suspect access is being reduced because of the idiots who like to light fires, so I dont know how we can have it any better. If anyone else has had hassles let me know. Maybe it was just today. I'd be interested to know how Nenad gone beeping seems to get the access he does.


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#46

Baldy
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19 March 2016 09:06 pm

Thanks Daz..been fishing for 2 weeks ,haven't had a reply to my last email..to forestry...it's locked up for only one reason,to make it easy to lock the gates when they knock off..going to move up the ladder to management and get some answers..Cheers..


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#47

Tassie Daz
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20 March 2016 05:51 pm

I can understand the hassles they face with idiots wanting to light fires etc, and I don't mean camp fires, but its a bit maddening to drive there, pay your 5 bucks and then find you cant actually get to the spots you wanted to visit. I think next time I go I'll go during the week when there's more access[That's if I go again] Might justsave up my dollars and go to the GT in Vict. There at least they dont lock us out and my money will go to the furthering of the detecting sport in that state.


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#48

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13 June 2016 09:44 am

new member and first time poster. heading up there today for an explore I will let you all know what its like. never tried this sorted thing before. I am a stone mason by trade so to speak, making benchtops out of granite and marble. love getting out in nature so hope this hobbie can bring two loves of mine together. any tips would be great. heading out with a shovel a bucket and a pan haha no clue novice but always learning!!

#49

Maltisau
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13 June 2016 05:02 pm

"approval of the Corporation"

There you have it guys. An amoral, faceless, non existent in physical reality, construction of diseased minds has total power over real, living, breathing human beings. Collectively, we have debased human existence to the point where we are all simply fodder for the corporate meat grinders we ourselves created.

Let's face it, prospectors are simply picking the pocket of the poor multi billion dollar mining corporations. Every scrap of gold found by us meatbags is reducing future mining profits. Not to mention the fact that one lucky find could lead to emancipation from free range slavery and discovery of the Sovereign Being that you always were before corporate ghouls began feasting on your life force.

As sure as the sun shines, the moment it is financially viable to mine in places like Mt. Crawford the corporation responsible for its safe keeping will grant access to a fellow corporation to do as it pleases.

Good luck reasoning with a beast whose sole reason for its tenuous existence is simply to perpetuate itself and it's BS systems. The idea that a few locked gates will stop firebugs lighting fires or stop vandals vandalising is absolutely ludicrous.

If anyone from S.A. or elsewhere wants to come and do some prospecting in the GT give me a hoy. You can use my place as a base and regional Victoria will be more than happy to have your tourist dollar. I guarantee you will not need to pay $5 to look at a locked gate big_smile

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#50

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08 June 2017 08:23 pm

Hey Multisau , right on the button there mate and just exactly how did these Corporations attach themselves to government regulations via statutes in the first place ?

I am constantly reminded of comments made by former NSW premier Nick Greiner who stated in 1992 that " heads of governments delude themselves that its better if they are in charge" . Nick Greiner and former QLD treasurer Keith DE Lacey were commissioned in 1992 -1993 to change Commonwealth company and tax laws so the states could deregulate and privatize assets which included government departments and that's what you have with Forrestry SA today , an example being PMG ETSA etc , which are now government owned corporations and the so called department heads are merely titular . Each of these former departments are now headed by a CEO.... How did the bastards achieve this you ask , well the answer is simple it was done through clever marketing propaganda and an enormous amount of apathy from the general public....

Mate is that offer of using your pad as a base still open ?

Best of luck fellow prospectors as we are gunna need it


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