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Ramjet
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10 January 2016 08:28 am

A different watch, this time a complete one. This is the watch Rocket and I found with the XP Deus and I would like to try open it up to see if there are any hallmarks, engraving etc. It's had a little soak in olive oil and I was thinking of trying to remove some of the rusted iron with a bit of electrolysis.
Thoughts anyone??

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rocketaroo
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10 January 2016 08:31 am

give it a go, if its plated the silver may not survive? nothing to loose in my opinion.


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Nightjar
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10 January 2016 09:08 am

The Digger (Frank) is a member on this site, he introduced me to using "Molasses."
Bought a tin of it from supermarket and soaked a relic in it for about 3 weeks, the results were amazing.
Unfortunately don't have a "before" photo.

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Happy Hunting, Nightjar.

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Wally69
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10 January 2016 09:27 am

I have cleaned a few plated ones and they have all fallen apart as the corrosion had got into the joints and cracks cry

The silver hallmarks on the one I found on the same day as your fantastic find are on the inside of the decorative plate. The pin is brass and did not survive the years of crushing. With care I can't see why yours could not be opened up as it looks in good condition. I loosened the pin on one of my plated watches with WD40, it also penetrated the dirt enough for a toothpick to remove it.

Pretty sure yours, like my recent one, is 0800 Swiss Silver or 80% and a rub with bicarb paste will have that silver shining like new.

Good luck. cool

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Ramjet
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10 January 2016 09:57 am

Thanks for the replies. Heard of using molassas but never done it... well only used it in making BBQ sauces big_smile

I think i will give that a go.


Touch the Frog.
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Goldtarget
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10 January 2016 10:43 am

I have a rust converter I use which you immerse the item in but the drawback is once it restores everything (can get intricate parts moving and all just reverses the oxidation) any exposed metals will re rust albeit slowly. Awesome for car parts, pumps etc that you can paint again but not so good for pocket watches.

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Nightjar
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10 January 2016 09:35 pm

Ramjet wrote:

Thanks for the replies. Heard of using molassas but never done it... well only used it in making BBQ sauces big_smile

I think i will give that a go.

Maybe PM The Digger, because there is a mix of water and molasses but cannot remember the ratio.

Cheers & good luck


Happy Hunting, Nightjar.

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Ramjet
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10 January 2016 09:40 pm

It's in a molassas bath. 9 to 1 is the ratio I found with a bit of reading. Slow process but I'll keep updating the progress.


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#9

Ramjet
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27 January 2017 11:12 am

Resurrecting this topic from 12 months ago. The watch has been soaking in a water, molasses bath for many months. I rinse it off and change the mix every few weeks.
Coming along nicely.

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silver
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27 January 2017 12:19 pm

It has come a long way already RJ, outsides looking great for details ! glasses cool


What a great day ! ,... " I'll see you in the field ".

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27 January 2017 12:35 pm

big_smile ...next step when it's cleaned....send it to me to get the 24K treatment (or re-silvered) wink glasses cool
(see signature...Mods, remove if considered "touting" big_smile )

BTW, have you managed to find any ID or Hallmarks???

Slow as it has been, it appears to be doing a good job. I would imagine anything that gave instant results, would also likely 'lose' you some detail or feature....so well done getting it this far.

Cheers
Gypsy

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27 January 2017 01:19 pm

My brother told me that the makers mark should be on that bigger plate, bottom left usually (he was a watch repairer for a while) but i dont know if all marks were there. I can sort of see a hint of some markings maybe coming out? Or might just be two scratches.. Shes a rippa of a chronosphere RJ!! big_smile smile

The molasses really works well hey, i still havnt tried but have a whole bucket of the stuff waiting. Is it 10part water / 1part molasses or vice versa (though that sounds rather sticky)

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Mackka
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27 January 2017 02:35 pm

That's coming up real nice RJ. I also had heard of using molasses but that was for improving the coat on horses (mix it in with their drinking water).
Cheers
Mackka

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27 January 2017 03:34 pm

Yeah RJ, it is a great find and starting to show of it's beauty... nice one.

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Ramjet
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27 January 2017 07:21 pm

Mackka wrote:

That's coming up real nice RJ. I also had heard of using molasses but that was for improving the coat on horses (mix it in with their drinking water).
Cheers
Mackka

When we were teenagers we had horses and used to mix molasses in with their bran and chaff to give a shiny coat. Love the smell of it too. LOL. I should find a pic of me on my horse, Shah, in the 70's. Good for a giggle.


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27 January 2017 09:42 pm

Best thing I used on a pocket watch I found was an ultrasonic cleaner. It managed to clean out a large percentage of the gunk filling the internals, though you do have to keep in mind that some of the rusted components are all that is holding all the brass internals together. I would expect that the hallmarks would have been on the missing lid, or possibly on the inside of the rear plate (that should be hinged as well to inspect the inner workings/jewels) . Either way, it is definitely silver, not plated. smile


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28 January 2017 12:38 am

Ramjet wrote:
Mackka wrote:

That's coming up real nice RJ. I also had heard of using molasses but that was for improving the coat on horses (mix it in with their drinking water).
Cheers
Mackka

When we were teenagers we had horses and used to mix molasses in with their bran and chaff to give a shiny coat. Love the smell of it too. LOL. I should find a pic of me on my horse, Shah, in the 70's. Good for a giggle.

Your not in your togs are ya ! glasses yikes lol


What a great day ! ,... " I'll see you in the field ".

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28 January 2017 01:37 am

How about a steam cleaner, the one with the little jet nozzle, glasses big improvement cool
or ultra sonic jewellery cleaner maybe with a kero water mix if soapy water doesn't work


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