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06 November 2014 11:50 pm

Hello all... Nokta Detectors here... Nokta team has received this review of Steve Herschbach and would like to share it with you:

Posted 11 October 2014 - 12:58 PM
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Nokta Engineering FORS Gold Prospecting Metal Detector

This metal detector review is a first for me in one way. Until to now I have not been very willing to use detectors not made by the well known mainstream manufacturers. The key reason has always been service and parts support concerns plus the ability to easily sell the detector should I ever choose to do so.

Nokta Engineering is a company based in Istanbul, Turkey since 2001. They have been around for over a decade now and so can be considered well established. I was aware they had a new 15 kHz VLF detector out called the FORS Gold but had not tried to acquire one myself. I was a bit surprised when the company contacted me and offered to send me a FORS Gold for evaluation. It turned out members of a popular gold forum had suggested they do so to get a review by somebody relatively well known.

My response was “I would be happy to give the Fors Gold some use in the field and add it to my online list. I must warn you however that I am the sort of person who is honest with my opinions.” To their credit that did not deter the people at Nokta and so a unit was sent to me direct from Turkey. It arrived on my doorstep in short order.

Please note any of the following information may change with time and so check for the latest specifications. The Nokta FORS Gold is currently available in two configurations. The basic package includes the detector with 7” x 11.2” open DD search coil, form fitting open scuff cover, closed bottom scuff cover, headphones, four AA batteries, instruction manual and DVD. This package currently retails in the U.S. for $999.00.

I was sent the Pro Package which includes the detector with three coils – the standard 7” x 11.2” DD search coil plus a small 4.7” x 5.2” DD coil and large 13.3” x 15.5” DD coil. Each coil comes with a scuff cover installed. The open 7” x 11.2” coil comes with an open scuff cover installed, plus an extra closed bottom scuff cover is also included in the package. A two piece rain cover is included; a clear vinyl cover for the control box, and a separate form fitting neoprene/nylon cover for the handle that has a little vinyl window to match the handle mounted LCD readout.

Instead of alkaline batteries four NiMH rechargeable AA batteries are included with a smart charger. A nice touch is that adapters for 110V, 12V, and even USB are included. There is a set of stereo headphones, a Nokta hat, a treasure or accessory pouch, and of course the operating manual and DVD. This all comes packed in a very professional heavy weave nylon carry bag. The bag is of exceptional design with two large separate pouches in addition to the main compartment, which itself has three internal zipped storage compartments. The bag can be carried suitcase style or work as a backpack with the included shoulder straps. This package currently retails in the U.S. for $1399.00.

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View of open case and many of the accessories

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The large accessory pockets

The standard package will do the trick if you are on a budget but in my opinion the Pro Package represents an outstanding value for somebody serious about using the FORS Gold to its fullest potential. It is the most well thought out and completely appointed detector package I have ever seen offered by a manufacturer for nugget detecting, or any other detecting for that matter.

With that said let me get the hard part for Nokta over and pick on them a bit. First of all, let’s look at the detector itself. Having seen the pictures before, I was surprised at how small the control box actually is. The online photos are taken from an angle that makes the control box seem much larger than it really is, and so this is good news. The overall quality, fit, and feel are all very good. Still, there are areas that could use improvement.

The main display and controls are, if you are right handed, on the side of the control box next to your leg. The display has lots of great information, but most of it is of little use when in use because you cannot see the display. This is alleviated somewhat by the small handle mounted LCD readout that displays the most essential information. I found the side mount display was just fine for making adjustments to detector settings or checking the battery level, but when I actually used the detector the side display was easy to just forget about and ignore. There is nothing there you have to have per se but on the other hand it really is a well thought out display and it is a shame it is mostly wasted in normal use.

There are two rocker switches on the side below the display for making control adjustments. One toggles through menu selections, and one adjusts the value of the selection. These rockers are bound to collect dirt and water and I was surprised they did not use sealed touch pad style buttons. It is a good idea to use the control box cover included in the Pro Package just to protect these rocker switches from dirty gloves or hands.

Accessing the controls and seeing the display would be especially awkward for left handed people.

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View of control panel and rain cover

Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but Nokta took it a bit too far in making the control box and handle mounting arrangement nearly identical to that made by a certain Australian company. The rear mounted box does balance very well, but assembling the split handle and box onto the rod is just as frustrating with this design whether it is made in Turkey or Australia. Once you get it together you will never want to take it apart, except you must to get it back into that nice carry case, or to put on or take off the control box cover. If nothing else longer mounting bolts would help but a snap on or bayonet mount would be better.

The headphones are actually pretty good quality Phillips SHP1900 headphones that are comfortable and have good sound quality. They have a 1/8" jack and come with the 1/4" adapter. However, I found the straight 6 foot long cable to be a bit much and had to wad the excess up and tie it up. A curly cable would be preferable but this is a very minor quibble given that most people will use their favorite headphones they already have. And the Phillips are better than what often comes with detectors. They have no volume controls but the FORS Gold has its own so that is not a problem.

One last little issue. The included scuff covers are paper thin. If not pried off very carefully they are very easy to split on the edge, as I found out taking one off to clean sand out. Something a little thicker or tougher would be good as these will wear through very quickly.

OK, now to the good stuff! Frankly, the Nokta FORS Gold is one of the better VLF nugget detectors I have ever used, and even better it is a very capable detector for just about any type of detecting. It appears to just be a variation on another Nokta model, the FORS CoRe (Coin Relic) and shares nearly all the same features. The CoRe features slightly different discrimination options plus a dedicated beach mode, whereas the Gold focuses more on nugget detecting features, but from what I am seeing both detectors can do just about anything very well.

The FORS Gold default settings are almost perfect for somebody with little or no detecting experience. It boots up in Boost Mode, which is a two tone mode with ferrous items giving a low tone and non-ferrous a high tone. Simply turn the detector on, hold the ground balance button on the end of the handle down, bounce the coil up and down for a few seconds, and go nugget detecting! It really can be that easy with the FORS Gold, and for that reason along it is now one of my top choices not only for professional VLF operators but also novices.

I did some testing initially in a park and I found the Boost Mode to have very good target separation, something highly valued when hunting areas thick with trash items. The optional three tone discrimination mode made for easy coin detecting in park type settings, with all modes augmented by target display information in the LCD screen on the end of the handle. While pinpointing, this displays depth (in centimeters) and while ground balancing you see the ground balance numbers.

I also took the FORS Gold to a beach for a day, and found it to be a very capable beach detector with exceptional depth and sensitivity to small items. The only area where it would be a lackluster performer would be on wet salt sand or in salt water, because all single frequency VLF detectors suffer in that area. Still, it will get you by. The FORS CoRe would be a better choice for those wanting to hunt salt water beaches since it has a dedicated beach mode.

The bottom line is I really do think the FORS Gold is a detector suitable for many detecting tasks, and I think it will see great acceptance with relic hunters or jewelry hunters in particular in addition to the intended use as a nugget detector.

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Accessory Large 13.3” x 15.5” DD coil and small 4.7” x 5.2” DD coil

Where the Nokta FORS Gold shines however is in its main use for nugget detecting. I have to admit I have been pretty much a pulse induction sort of guy in recent years, but I have been reminded once again recently that very good nugget finds may very possibly be best looked for in the trashiest of locations. People using PI detectors tend to shy away from heavy trash, yet mining camps and work areas were often right in the middle of the best gold bearing ground. There still is a serious need for detectors with exceptional trash handling capability, and that means VLF detectors. Yet those detectors also need to be able to handle the worst mineralized ground and hot rocks, an area where VLF detectors are weak.

The FORS Gold has a relatively straight forward all metal mode, which they label as the General Mode. There are some features however not offered by most of the competition all at the same time in a single detector. First, while in all metal mode the visual discrimination feature is still engaged via the LCD display on the end of the handle. This offers the ability to identify items while still in the powerful all metal mode. Better yet, the FORS Gold also offers up an optional automatic ground tracking mode in addition to the manual ground balance. Some detectors offer one or the other of these features but very few offer both the ability to visually identify targets while in all metal mode plus both manual and automatic ground tracking.

The FORS Gold can be ground balanced by simply pushing the button on the handle and bouncing the coil. But you can also override the setting obtained by doing so with the plus and minus rocker switch. In other words, full manual ground balance. The third method, full automatic ground tracking, is engaged with a rocker switch on the front of the control box, and so can always be set as on or off before even turning the detector on.

I and many others tend to recommend always using manual ground balance. However, if possible I always prefer having automatic ground tracking as an option that can be enabled or disabled. You see, I want all options at my disposal, even those I may use but rarely. Just by chance, a very good reason came up while I was out nugget detecting with the FORS Gold.

I ran into an area with some really pesky hot rocks. There are several ways of dealing with this. In a pure manual mode machine you try and find a compromise ground balance setting and probably lower gain or sensitivity levels. Then you just try and discern sharper nugget sounds from softer hot rock sounds. Obviously, this can require some extra expertise and a trained ear. Severe hot rocks can be trying for the best of detectorists.

When hot rocks and ground conditions get severe, automatic ground tracking may help. In some cases, it can be almost magical. So it was with an area I ran into. In all metal General Mode the threshold was all over the place as I ran across lots of small hot rocks. I switched to automatic ground tracking, and they basically disappeared. The machine went from being a bucking bronco to a mild mannered pony with the push of a button. In theory ground tracking can track out faint signals, but this can be minimized with proper coil control. Wide continuous sweeps. It certainly is no worse than the nuggets that will get missed thinking they are hot rocks, and in my opinion in this type of scenario automatic ground tracking can be critical to continued operation in conditions that would cause most people to quit in frustration.

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Nokta FORS Gold in the field

With the FORS Gold you can also go to the Boost Mode, where many hot rocks will just read low tone as ferrous items. Boost also offers an adjustable iron mask feature that can be increased until the offending hot rocks do not signal at all. As always, there are tradeoffs in the form of possible missed gold, but it is very important to always concentrate on getting the most found gold possible, even if that means compromises to some degree to get it to happen. Nobody gets all the gold, the idea is to maximize the amount of gold you do get to the greatest degree possible given whatever tools you have at your disposal.

The visual target id feature can even be employed to deal with certain high reading hot rocks that refuse to yield to other solutions. The rocks may cluster around a certain target number, which can then be ignored. Again, not perfect, but another possible option to be used if need be.

Look at all the other gold nugget detectors out there and ask if they can run in all metal mode while simultaneously displaying target id numbers on screen, and if they offer ground grab, manual ground balance, and automatic ground tracking. The surprising answer will be no. No other nugget detector offers all these options in a single unit. Only a few top end expensive coin detectors do so but they lack the nugget detecting power of the FORS Gold. This alone makes the Nokta FORS Gold a unique and valuable addition to the VLF nugget detecting world and one worth serious consideration

There are of course the normal settings such as threshold level, volume level, and gain or sensitivity level. There is also a frequency offset to deal with potential electrical interference or possibly even another FORS detector operating nearby. Very nice touches are adjustable audio tones to customize the sounds produced for people who suffer hearing loss at certain frequencies. This should be standard but is all too rare on nugget detectors. There is an adjustable backlight for the main screen and handle mounted LCD.

Then, just like the ads “but wait, there’s more!” The FORS Gold has a small LED flashlight built into the handle to illuminate the work area in low light conditions or to just use as a flashlight when you get back to your vehicle in the dark. And in a nugget detecting first, there is an adjustable vibration mode built into the handle that operates in conjunction with or independently of the audio. This feature alone can be a real benefit to people with hearing loss and in theory will allow somebody who is totally deaf to go metal detecting effectively! Now that is some real cool out of box thinking and the reason we need more companies like Nokta in the business. Even people with good hearing can benefit as most of us have run into high wind or other situations where hearing the detector is difficult at best. Anyone who has ever used the new pinpointers already knows how this works.

You even get the option of ten different languages for the operating menu system. These guys and gals are thinking of everything.

Don’t forget the optional coils. There is a hot small coil for working bedrock pockets and crevices sensitive down into the grain range, and a large coil perfect for pulling large gold out of tailing piles. I only used both coils briefly because the stock coil serves as the best all around solution, but somebody going all in with Nokta will find both these coils valuable additions to the toolbox.

Does it seem like I am gushing? Perhaps I am, and that is probably because my expectations were pretty low. I have simply seen too many detectors over the years, so much so that many just seem like rehashes of the same old same old. Nokta has managed to not only build a detector that is very easy to run right out of the box, but with enough advanced features to wow even a jaded detectorist like myself.

Well, come on Steve, what about some gold?! It is hard not to like a detector when I take it someplace with nasty hot rocks, and it handles them with relative ease. It gets even better when I put it into Boost Mode and wander into a trashy location getting lots of low tones, and then dig a few nuggets right in the midst of the trash. I went where I never would have went with my PI and the FORS Gold found gold when in all honesty I was expecting to write this report telling you about the bullets I found. It is not easy to go find gold, and so I was really just expecting to find bullets and shell fragments and I was keeping them to show you what the FORS Gold could do for this report. I was going to explain how bullets read like gold and there you go. Seriously folks, I really just got lucky but the FORS Gold gets the credit.

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My first nugget found with the FORS Gold - and yes, those are rain drops on the rain cover!

After three nice nuggets I was as happy as I could be, when I get another signal and dig up what I thought was some crumpled up foil. Then I realized I was looking at gold, and an exceptional 2 gram nugget revealed itself to closer inspection. I did something I almost never do and wrapped it in tissue to protect it until I could get it home and properly clean it. The Nokta FORS Gold helped me find one of the most delicate gold specimens I have ever found. I ended up with 3.3 grams total and enough information to finally file this review.

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2 grams fresh out of the ground

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3.3 grams gold found with Nokta FORS Gold

I went into this basically just wanting to see if Nokta, as a relatively unknown player in the U.S. market, was a company that was not selling junk. Sorry, but I have seen horror stories about some overseas companies and I had no idea where Nokta ranked in all these new names showing up on our shores. The fact is Nokta has well exceeded all my expectations and then some, and they seem very eager to do whatever it takes to back up their product. I am going to go out on a limb here and recommend the company and at least the two FORS detectors without reservation. If what I am seeing is any indication Nokta is going places. I look forward to seeing what they do in the future, but for now they have a very formidable and competitive offering well worth serious consideration by those looking for a VLF gold nugget detector.

My thanks to AzViper for stirring the pot at TreasureNet to get the ball rolling on this, and to Dilek Gonulay and the other fine people at Nokta for affording me the opportunity to try out the Nokta FORS Gold.

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Closeup of 2 gram specimen found with FORS Gold

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07 November 2014 06:41 am

You lost me at side mounted id and volume.

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07 November 2014 08:11 am

sounds very nice and it has everything and very cheap would be nice to see one in the aussie goldfields


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07 November 2014 11:34 am

Hmm, seems to have some clever features that have been wanting for years. Ill try one for you Nokta here in Aus, send me one to try. lol Like that would happen!

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old hand
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07 November 2014 11:55 am

A member from the forum is using one around the Bendigo area so far he is happy with it smile


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07 November 2014 12:01 pm

Goldtarget wrote:

You lost me at side mounted id and volume.

The ID is also displayed on the small handgrip LCD, but those switches look ancient, they could certainly be improved upon. It is packed with some good features, and depth is pretty impressive (see you tube clips), but as usual, the ultimate test would be in Australian mineralised soils vs US and Euro soils to see whether it is a viable proposition. The pricing though seems on the money, considering the supplied accessories and search coils - $1600 here compared to $1400US in the states. Buy a current brand 15kHz gold vlf with two extra coils, and you would be looking at a similar amount, if not more.

An Australian test would go a long way to support sales here. Steve's reviews are very thorough and honest, but ultimately don't represent real world performance in Australian conditions, which at times can be horrendous for a gold vlf. smile


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07 November 2014 12:09 pm

old hand wrote:

A member from the forum is using one around the Bendigo area so far he is happy with it smile

Sounds promising, would be good to get some detailed feedback on the Nokta, if not an independant review. smile


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07 November 2014 04:08 pm

I agree, would be great to get a review on how the detector operates here in the Oz goldfields. A review on the Goldsense would be handy too as that looks like a descent machine for the price. I agree it could only help drive the sales up too! I'd be happy to have a crack at using one given the opportunity! smilebig_smile


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07 November 2014 04:48 pm

I will give him a ring tonight regards john smile smile


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07 November 2014 07:34 pm

The forse Velox one 17.5 kHz seems a bit better than the gold and core. Hits targets better than the gold and core and seems to detect deeper from the videos I've seen.

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07 November 2014 08:33 pm

Don't know why I mentioned 15kHz gold vlf's, most are 18kHz and above, aside from the MXT/Pro. Though the lower frequency should be more stable albeit not as sensitive on the small stuff.


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07 November 2014 09:04 pm

When the aussie version of a review (all due respect to Steve and his review) is put up I'll take it seriously. I know my grandma drives a Kia but its not my choice of vehicle. I'm very open to see some real world local feedback.

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07 November 2014 09:53 pm

Goldtarget wrote:

When the aussie version of a review (all due respect to Steve and his review) is put up I'll take it seriously. I know my grandma drives a Kia but its not my choice of vehicle. I'm very open to see some real world local feedback.

Hello...Nokta Detectors here...if there is anybody in AU who is considered to be an expert writing mining journals etc. and doing objective product reviews like the few individuals in the USA, Nokta would be more than happy to send a test unit. For more details, you can send an email to dilek@noktadetectors.com

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07 November 2014 10:11 pm

Good work. I would love to be that person but alas I do not fit the appropriate criteria. I'm sure you will have no trouble in finding someone to accept your offer.

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07 November 2014 10:18 pm

Nokta Detectors wrote:

Hello...Nokta Detectors here...if there is anybody in AU who is considered to be an expert writing mining journals etc. and doing objective product reviews like the few individuals in the USA, Nokta would be more than happy to send a test unit.

Send me $10,000 Australian and I will do your research for you until then (with all due respect) get your marketing department doing their job and find the expert to review your product in Australia, you are trying to sell a vlf detector into a market that detects highly mineralised soil in conditions completely different from anything in the USA. as much as we respect Steve his recommendation for your detector in US conditions is worth less then a jar of Vegemite in our conditions


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07 November 2014 11:31 pm

australian gold prospecting is well known stoppys not shore if hes on this forum but a lot of people know him or doug stone are well known guys that have been in the gold game for a long time


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07 November 2014 11:35 pm

and to the other members give this new company a break honestly is this what all aussies do put down new companys down cos they dont think its good enough ???


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08 November 2014 12:06 am

I am all for some one offering a new product.... However it is like the medical field...

Australia is a small section of the global market and thus; we get told what we need OR can have...

Gold is gold but soil is not soil...

And thus comments such as "who is considered to be an expert writing mining journals etc. and doing objective product reviews" cuts no slack with me...

I want a real world review and not one that has been spun, by some one who is skilled at spinning a yarn.

In the field testing, and none of the set-up finds that you so often see. Objective YES - Warts and all / Pro's and Con's, but focused on local conditions by people that use and live by their machines; not an academic OR someone that has never spent considerable time in the varied Australian gold fields.

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08 November 2014 12:10 am

Hunting the yellow wrote:

and to the other members give this new company a break honestly is this what all aussies do put down new companys down cos they dont think its good enough ???

they come in as a newbie member , use images with another sites tag in them know nothing about Australian conditions and are trying to flog their product, then have the nerve to ask us to assist them in marketing their product after posting in the wrong section of the forum to start with , but then they probably didn't take up a site sponsorship to post in the right section.

I will help out anyone that puts in some effort but if they want me to do all the bloody work they can f'ing well pay me for it or go dig their own gold.


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08 November 2014 12:15 am

Nokta Detectors wrote:
Goldtarget wrote:

When the aussie version of a review (all due respect to Steve and his review) is put up I'll take it seriously. I know my grandma drives a Kia but its not my choice of vehicle. I'm very open to see some real world local feedback.

Hello...Nokta Detectors here...if there is anybody in AU who is considered to be an expert writing mining journals etc. and doing objective product reviews like the few individuals in the USA, Nokta would be more than happy to send a test unit. For more details, you can send an email to dilek@noktadetectors.com

It would seem , given the quoted response from Nokta above, that the products haven't been tested for Australian conditions.
A few individuals may use them here but that would not be totally subjective as an overview of the detectors operation and abilities.
I would launch these products not be a review/s, but by conducting a controlled test by the company first. to determine the products suitability and ability, in our conditions, before placing the product on the open market. firstly, if it proves to be ineffective
after a release here, than the mining/prospecting community will soon spread the word. that's is Marketing failure. then, secondly ,invite members from prospecting groups -PAMV. etc to a field day in a gold area to use the products. that then become an appropriate review and recommendation. IMO.


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08 November 2014 12:50 am

outboard wrote:

they come in as a newbie member , use images with another sites tag in them, know nothing about Australian conditions and are trying to flog their product, then have the nerve to ask us to assist them in marketing their product after posting in the wrong section of the forum to start with , but then they probably didn't take up a site sponsorship to post in the right section.

I will help out anyone that puts in some effort but if they want me to do all the bloody work they can f'ing well pay me for it or go dig their own gold.

Yes this post by me is OFF topic.

But even as a small concern; first thing I did was take up the sponsorship and read the rules... It's not like it will break the bank.

Admin, feel free to remove this post...

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08 November 2014 01:04 am

Hello all... I respect all the feedbacks and the comments. However, first of all we are not asking for anybody to do the marketing for us. And Nokta did 2.5 years of research and development for this product before launching it. Nokta did get the product tested in AU but any report published by a manufacturer will not be convincing for end-users. When users were discussing FORS in the USA on forums, many users were asking whether Steve Herschbach or Ray Mills and a few others tested the product or not because they all seemed to value these individuals' opinions a lot so we sent each one a test unit because we stand behind our product. So ours was just an offer for potential customers in AU. In other words, all we said was if there are certain individuals /groups /organizations that forum members would like to read the reviews of, we can gladly send a test unit. This is all. We do have customers who are currently using the product in AU who are very happy with the performance and for those who are interested, we do have a reseller that you can contact to get more info on the product. And regarding the post being in the wrong section - you are right and sorry for that. You can remove the post if you want and we will place it in the correct section under metal detectors. Thank you all.

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slipped disc
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08 November 2014 01:57 am

Thank you for the clarification in regard to having tested your product in Australia. On that basis, can we assume that therefore, the product will operate successfully in highly mineralised soils, and hot rock conditions ? This of course, is the - mean- test for a detector on the goldfields. I am sure the nominated re-seller has the ability to market your product in Australia. I only suggested that organising an open- field day, for a club group or organisation, would be helpful to all. Market competition is vital for product development, and benefits the end user, the Customer. Regards.


AHAAA,another 6 inch deep pulltab. Yippee, a 12 inch deep pulltab - SOV.XS.

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08 November 2014 02:33 am

slipped disc wrote:

Thank you for the clarification in regard to having tested your product in Australia. On that basis, can we assume that therefore, the product will operate successfully in highly mineralised soils, and hot rock conditions ? This of course, is the - mean- test for a detector on the goldfields. I am sure the nominated re-seller has the ability to market your product in Australia. I only suggested that organising an open- field day, for a club group or organisation, would be helpful to all. Market competition is vital for product development, and benefits the end user, the Customer. Regards.

Thank you so much for your nice response. Yes, the product will handle mineralization and hot rocks pretty well. We will discuss the open field day with our reseller and see what we can come up with.

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slipped disc
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08 November 2014 04:58 am

Thank you for the opportunity to discuss the concerns about Nokta detectors on our soil conditions, and the offer to extend test units to confirm this. It is certainly an honest and open gesture which demonstrates your faith in the product. I hope that interested Groups will be able to explore this offer. This is also a useful P.R. situation to have direct contact with your company and the ability to have any queries addressed by your Sales Manager. This bring the term -Service- to a new level. Cheers.


AHAAA,another 6 inch deep pulltab. Yippee, a 12 inch deep pulltab - SOV.XS.

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