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#51

GenXreD
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23 July 2014 10:56 pm

Hi all, Can anybody tell me what they mean by a shaker?

#52

RottenRon
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29 July 2014 06:14 pm

G'day mate. I'm gunna take a punt here and say it's the same as a rocker box.
Google Gold Rocker Box, and click on images. The old timer gear will give you the idea. All the more modern looking stuff are just variations on the original theme.
Cheers, Ron.


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#53

mfdes
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29 July 2014 08:36 pm

Or a piece of gear designed to shake sieves over a willoughby or dry. I've heard them called shakers when referring to sapphire fossicking.


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#54

jimnyjerry
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30 July 2014 11:18 am

This is a shaker. Just put your sieves on top and gravel and shake.
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#55

Jaros
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30 July 2014 01:14 pm

I wanna have Bluetooth capability and a good sub-woofer as well. lol


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#56

naildigger
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19 August 2014 07:56 pm

the politicians are only interested in coorporations with millions of dollars to spend (and donate to political campaigns), they dont want little joe fossicker finding and claiming possibly rich new ground, no money in that for campbell and co. qld prospectors really need to form a lobby group and chuck in a few bucks each to finance a campaign for us to get a fare go in queensland. most state forests i see in qld are under-utilised and over-run with weeds and feral critters, so what harm are a few prospectors gonna do?, ZIP. if anything, at least prospectors can report on weed and feral numbers to the local council of each area, helping them with pest management, win win as far as i can see. Anyway, we need to make some noise or nothing will change up here in the sunshine state, good digging, ND


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#57

NAPFA
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20 August 2014 09:54 pm

Good to see Queenslanders getting stirred up to improve things there!

Over the past couple of years I've done two prospecting trips to FNQ for detecting. To be honest it was a mixed bag. There seemed to be very little publicly available land and you need to rely on landowner permissions which is very difficult for travellers, although not so bad for locals. I was really keen to do stuff in the Palmer but between pastoralists and small mining clams there was very little option even though the area is very large. So a quick look was it.

I was very impressed by the pay to prospect model used by properties around Georgetown and Forsayth. At least you are sure of getting onto decent ground without any fuss. And after a $1000 fuel bill, another $10-$15 a day seems small to the other costs.

Qld Government really should do more to encourage fossicking tourism. Why not turn the Palmer into a prospecting mecca by doing a deal with the landowners there to allow fossickers unfettered access? The area could certainly do with the stimulus.

In a recent submission to the NSW Crown Lands White paper NAPFA made the following suggestion that may be of some value:

NAPFA would support a rebate for properties which identify on a register as permitting recreational fossicking. This would be of value where the land in question has known fossicking reserves of gems or minerals. This would encourage landowners to permit access for fossickers.

While I appreciate the original post was about equipment, access is a vital issue for prospectors.

Good luck!

cheers

Stephen
President
NSW & ACT Prospectors and Fossickers Association Inc


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#58

naildigger
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21 August 2014 06:07 pm

thanks for your support stephen, is there such a thing as the australian prospectors and fossickers association? if not, maybe theres a need for one. collectively we might be able to shift mountains so to speak. if we could get uniform access and rights across the country then the geo-tourism that would create( and new access areas maybe) could be huge. a benefit to prospectors and the local communities in terms of tourism dollars. having such experience and knowledge, would you put your hand up for the role as pres? i will support you and im sure thousands more would also! cheers mate, keep up the good work, naildigger


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#59

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22 August 2014 09:36 pm

Naildigger,

That is a nice hole the ground in your picture.

Mate thanks for the big vote...I think I'll pass for now smile

the idea of a national group has a nice ring to it but the reality is that each state or territory has its own rules and the most efficient way to influence those rules is through a state/territory based organisation that can get close to the issues, understand them, and influence the right people to change things. And that seems to be what is happening where there is sufficient will.

Looking around -- there is APLA in WA -- been around for well over 100 years and does a great job. PMAV in Victoria been around since the 80s and a recognized voice of reason; NTPADAI (search this forum for contact details) has made the NT a great place to go;
NAPFA -- we're making progress but have only been around for two years; South Australia -- nothing so far as I know; Tasmania - nothing so far as I know; Queensland -- no recognized state representative group so far as I know. So there are some gaps.

Personally I don't think we will ever have uniform rules across Australia - our federation does not have a good history in this regard -- just look at the railways! And just about everything else! That said, it is useful for the different associations to keep track of what the others are up to and that happens informally. An idea was floated last year for a get together and it nearly got off the ground but ran out of steam and $$.

If you want to help - any anyone else reading this post -- please seek out the groups that represent your area and join them, support with ideas and enthusiasm and even some money because the representation work by the associations does cost money and that cost should be shared by the community that is benefiting rather than by the individuals who are putting in their time as volunteers.

Cheers

Stephen
President
NSW & ACT Prospectors and Fossickers Association


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#60

naildigger
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23 August 2014 09:07 am

thanks stephen, you make some very valid points there regarding national entitys, being harder to manage, coordinate and unification of rules and regs etc. it would be nice though to get some balance of rules and regs across the states, at least the equipment we spend money on could be used in more than one state when we travel etc. i havent been prospecting for gold for very long, but ive always been a fossicker, after finding a stash of buried coins as a kid. since becoming more involved in prospecting, ive realised how tied up queensland really is, and its way behind other states as far as access to crown land, and use of equipment (sluices and dryblowers etc), but we have no representative body to work with government on our behalf. i think its high time that we qlds form a prospectors assoc. and if we could emulate your success in nsw, qld would be a greater place. thanks for your thoughts and comments stephen and hopefully, we'll see some stirings in the sunshine state , naildigger


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#61

outboard
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10 September 2014 03:19 pm

I am not a lawyer but from my reading of the act section 38 states -:

Use of machinery etc. prohibited

A person fossicking under a licence must not use machinery
or equipment (other than a hand tool) to fossick.

Maximum penalty—400 penalty units

fossick is defined in section 5 as -:

Meaning of fossick

(1) Fossick means—

(a) search for fossicking materials in a systematic or unsystematic way—

(i) on the ground’s surface; or
(ii) by digging with a hand tool; or

(b) collect fossicking materials.

(2) However, a person does not fossick merely because the person picks
up a specimen of fossicking material the person finds by chance when
doing something other than fossicking.

so the ban on use of machinery would only apply to removal or collection of the dirt not how you process the dirt making sluices and highbankers legal to use.

Whilst I appreciate the information that they are illegal is coming from mining wardens they appear to not understand,either, the equipment or the act


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#62

elrodeo
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10 September 2014 05:43 pm

outboard wrote:

I am not a lawyer but from my reading of the act section 38 states -:

Use of machinery etc. prohibited

A person fossicking under a licence must not use machinery
or equipment (other than a hand tool) to fossick.

Maximum penalty—400 penalty units

fossick is defined in section 5 as -:

Meaning of fossick

(1) Fossick means—

(a) search for fossicking materials in a systematic or unsystematic way—

(i) on the ground’s surface; or
(ii) by digging with a hand tool; or

(b) collect fossicking materials.

(2) However, a person does not fossick merely because the person picks
up a specimen of fossicking material the person finds by chance when
doing something other than fossicking.

so the ban on use of machinery would only apply to removal or collection of the dirt not how you process the dirt making sluices and highbankers legal to use.

Whilst I appreciate the information that they are illegal is coming from mining wardens they appear to not understand,either, the equipment or the act

BINGO !!

#63

RottenRon
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10 September 2014 08:27 pm

outboard wrote:

I am not a lawyer but from my reading of the act section 38 states -:

Use of machinery etc. prohibited

A person fossicking under a licence must not use machinery
or equipment (other than a hand tool) to fossick.

Maximum penalty—400 penalty units

fossick is defined in section 5 as -:

Meaning of fossick

(1) Fossick means—

(a) search for fossicking materials in a systematic or unsystematic way—

(i) on the ground’s surface; or
(ii) by digging with a hand tool; or

(b) collect fossicking materials.

(2) However, a person does not fossick merely because the person picks
up a specimen of fossicking material the person finds by chance when
doing something other than fossicking.

so the ban on use of machinery would only apply to removal or collection of the dirt not how you process the dirt making sluices and highbankers legal to use.

Whilst I appreciate the information that they are illegal is coming from mining wardens they appear to not understand,either, the equipment or the act

Sorry fellas, I quoted this post before I realized it referred to Qld.
I got back in to edit it and deleted what I had to say. I thought your points were referring to the proposed new Vic legislation.
Cheers Ron.

Last edited by RottenRon (10 September 2014 08:35 pm)


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#64

Goldslave
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23 November 2014 10:47 am

Hi Everyone, I also spoke to the Mareeba guys ie Michael and Peter and was told that the use of a sluice was illegal, but like Tone suggested if you have a friend who will allow you on their lease it's fine (possibly if it's in their mining plan) not sure how that works if the friend has already submitted their plan of operation.
I am like a lot of others and feel we are being persecuted by those who can't find the time or are misinformed as to how a sluice is operated and have just thrown a blanket over everyone.
If, for argument sake we have to submit our sluice design and method of operation and were allocated a number for their records I'd be interested if it helps, also if there are areas we can purchase as sluicing leases, ie half acre or smaller along a designated water way and pay the fees like the big guys do but on a minute scale, this may be in our favour.
Also this would create employment for extra inspectors to manage us low life, wrongdoers, hahahaha

#65

glot
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23 November 2014 02:03 pm

The regs say specifically what you can use. They don't list what you can't use.
I feel that the other clauses cover what's needed to be covered with regards environmental protection. Providing a fossicker stays within the other requirements then from a practical point and the intention of the act, other equipment should be allowed. If I want to run a massive highbanker then I should be allowed providing I stick within the already existing regs. Open up the equipment that is allowed and perhaps fine tune the other clauses around it.


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#66

glot
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23 November 2014 02:34 pm

I think one of the sticking points is what is the legal definition of fossicking? To me, it is the act of deliberately searching for specific items such as gold or gemstones as an amateur. Wether the raw material is worked on site or at home, you are still fossicking while working that material.
Simply limiting the tools allowed does not achieve what the fossicking act is there for. Ten people on shovels and gold pans could do a lot of damage if they ignored the other rules.


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#67

glot
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23 November 2014 03:02 pm

I really do apologise for so many posts in a row.
The act specifies what may be used to fossick. It also gives a definition of what fossicking is. It also gives a definition of what fossicking material is. So, in Qld it is illegal to use a sluice anywhere, even at home. One could also argue it is illegal to use a blue bowl or even a snuffer bottle.


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#68

Jaros
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23 November 2014 04:00 pm

This should help

Fossicking Act 1994
Part 3 Licences
Current as at 3 May 2013 Page 27
(2) A licensee must not contravene a restriction prescribed by
regulation.
Maximum penalty—50 penalty units.
38 Use of machinery etc. prohibited
A person fossicking under a licence must not use machinery
or equipment
(other than a hand tool) to fossick.
Maximum penalty—400 penalty units.
39 Limits on digging
(1) A person fossicking under a licence must not dig below
ground level—
(a) to a depth, measured from the highest point at the top of
the land dug, of more than—
(i) 0.5m in a watercourse; or
(ii) 2m on other land; or
(iii) a depth fixed under subsection (2); or
(b) if the digging involves tunnelling under land or creating
an overhang; or
(c) in a road reserve.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.

Jaros


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#69

glot
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23 November 2014 05:07 pm

Like I said, a snuffer bottle is prohibited to use. It is not in the prescribed list of hand tools.


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#70

glot
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23 November 2014 05:14 pm

Andrew Cripps MP is the person to voice your concerns to and request a revision of the Act. Get all your mates to send one too.


Seek and ye shall find, after a lot of research.

#71

glot
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23 November 2014 08:37 pm

Lets hammer this. Politicians care about votes and no more. Flood them. Be polite. Be concise. The public servants reading your emails or letters may be one up from useless but they are still just employees. Don't take it out on them. Just show Andrew that we do care and do want changes. It won't happen by itself.


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#72

glot
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29 November 2014 07:43 pm

These are the list of hand tools allowable for fossicking in Qld
a pick, shovel, hammer, sieve, shaker, or electronic
detector.
We can't even use a gold pan!
Please let's get this act reworked and make it sensible. Nothing will happen if no one says anything outside these forums.


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#73

Jaros
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29 November 2014 07:53 pm

Hi Glot, nowhere in the rules does it say you cannot use a Gold Pan

Fossicking rules and responsibilities
Permitted activities and materials

Your fossicking license allows you to search for and collect fossicking materials using hand tools and for recreational, tourist and educational purposes only.
Permitted tools and extent of diggings

Hand tools such as picks, shovels, hammers, sieves, shakers, electronic detectors and other similar tools can be used. No machinery is permitted.

You can collect from the surface or by digging, but you are not permitted to dig below 2m of the natural ground surface of land or below 0.5m in streams. Overhangs and tunnels are not allowed.

On road reserves, no digging is permitted but collection from existing exposures is allowed.
Materials collected

You can collect gemstones, ornamental stones, mineral specimens, alluvial gold (including nuggets) and some fossil specimens, but not meteorites and fossils of vertebrate animals.

Read and relax. tongue
Jaros


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#74

glot
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29 November 2014 08:45 pm

Read the definition of hand tools. Very specific as to what you can use. You need to read the definitions in conjunction with the clauses. This Act is a joke.


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#75

Simmo
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29 November 2014 10:48 pm

Where does it indicate you can't use a gold pan??


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