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LoneWolf
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04 October 2020 04:48 pm

Please be aware that The area that is under Control of Pacific Copper at Torrington NSW is now Private Property... This includes lot 20 and lot 23... See map... The Caretakers have had enough of Trespassers and now are forwarding details to the Police for Prosecution... Soon the Caretakers WILL be able to hand out fines themselves...

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The area circled in Yellow was a good Fossicking area and the area marked in Red is Pacific Copper's area... To access the area in yellow You must cross the Red area and that is not on now... That is Trespassing... Plain and simple...

Anyone caught in this area WILL BE CONFRONTED BY THE CARETAKERS AND TOLD TO LEAVE....
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There are also new signs placed around Torrington warning that the use of Power Tools is also Banned... This is becoming a very serious situation and the area is being watched very Carefully... This is ONLY 1 of 2 Areas in NSW where Fossicking is allowed under NPWS and We don't want or need this area Closed..
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So YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED... NO EXCUSES... mad

LW...

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04 October 2020 05:45 pm

Guess that's making it pretty clear.

Have to get in sweet with whoever purchased the land behind the sign .... looks like a SOLD sticker on the estate agents board.

Cheers T.


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04 October 2020 05:58 pm

Yes VERY CLEAR...

No that's the block on the corner of Duck Creek Fire Trail and Silent Grove Road that was sold... Nothing to do with Pacific Copper... Duck creek FT is the Entrance road to the Fossicking areas up there...

Another Warning sign as well...
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LW...

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04 October 2020 06:13 pm

Yeah, pretty blunt.. sadly. sad


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04 October 2020 06:21 pm

Perhaps NAPFA could look into this as well, as im sure they are NOT aware of these sudden Closures... Doug?

LW...

Thank You for reporting this.

Please consider joining NAPFa for a conclusive result in this situation.

Very Kind Regards,

Doug


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04 October 2020 06:23 pm

Jaros wrote:

Yeah, pretty blunt.. sadly. sad

Has to be Jaros, some just don't get it...

Can these 2 new topics be made a sticky please... As these are/were very popular areas to Fossick in Nth NSW...

LW...

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04 October 2020 06:44 pm

Id say theyre would be different laws for prospectors which comes under mines act. Iin S.A. a mining company cant stop you entering to prospect on an EL but fossick they can, you dont even need landholder approval if done properly, just wait 21 days then notify landholder your entering property.

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04 October 2020 06:49 pm

So can we still go into the red area?


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04 October 2020 07:04 pm

pinfire opals wrote:

Iin S.A. a mining company cant stop you entering to prospect on an EL

Pretty sure that it's the same in Victoria provided it's land that's not restricted for some other reason (historic reserve, certain NP's etc), not sure about EL's in other states.

Picked up some literature at one of the Fosterville Mine open days ....... mining companies can take out an EL on almost any land they want .... private property included, their EL rights are unbelievable. Landowners who have objected will in the majority of cases lose and have to give access.

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04 October 2020 07:07 pm

Yes it is the same in NSW Pinfire BUT,

No you cant, Not on this area... This Area is Private Property... If you cross the Red area YOU are Trespassing... Pacific Copper OWNS this land... Lease or no lease You Cannot enter...

This info is direct from the Caretakers who are working in conjunction with NPWS NSW and NSW Mines... That's why I have asked Doug and NAPFA to look into this and Confirm what im saying... I know its truth...

Don't shoot the Messenger...

LW...

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04 October 2020 07:20 pm

A quick glance at the map tells me that there are no formed gazetted roads.
They can do what they want in that case.


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04 October 2020 07:24 pm

LoneWolf wrote:

Perhaps NAPFA could look into this as well, as im sure they are NOT aware of these sudden Closures... Doug?

LW...

Thank You for reporting this.

Please consider joining NAPFa for a conclusive result in this situation.

Very Kind Regards,

Doug

Nice try Doug... If I get another Gov Sup, they can pay for my Membership... lol

And I can bet by last $ that NAPFA knew nothing about these New Closures... Don't shoot the Messenger Please..

LW....

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04 October 2020 07:36 pm

Nope,
No shooting down.

An email to our president on our home page would have been quite sufficent.

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04 October 2020 08:08 pm

No that wasn't my intention .... Sorry if it came across like that... beer

LW...


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04 October 2020 09:26 pm

Why can't you just use the 4wd track coming up from the south? Doesn't go through the red box and leads right up to the area???


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04 October 2020 10:24 pm

That's a very Old track and is well overgrown now... Old mine access road from the 60's. Toppo maps of the area are very old.....
And the track that you talk about is on their property, right in the corner of the map and other areas...

The ONLY real Legal way to visit the area is a rough 10km walk through the bush... And if you ever have been there its virtually impossible and would take at least 2 days to get there... Then you have to walk back with your goodies as well as all your gear....

LW...


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04 October 2020 10:37 pm

Best get the chainsaws out and clear that track off then!


Prospecting must be like fishing, the big one keeps getting away!

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04 October 2020 10:51 pm

You cant its a Conservation area....

There are only 2 areas in NSW under NPWS control where you ARE allowed to fossick... Torrington state conservation area and Abercrombie Kursk conservation area and only in a small part of that one it is allowed...

If you enter the area and are caught doing the wrong thing at Torrington, You Will be caught as patrols happen several times a day now... As well as Cameras have been placed so they know exactly who is where doing what...

I know cause im very good mates with one of the Caretakers and he has asked for Me to get the word out... And soon they will be upgraded in their Powers to issue on the spot fines... One from NPWS and the other will be a court appearance from Mines Department...

I know of 3 pending Court notices that WILL be handed out once all evidence has been compiled by the two Departments....

LW...


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04 October 2020 11:11 pm

Respectfully differing but if an international mining company is allowed to rape and pillage the area for minerals I don't see the problem with fossickers creating an access track around the lesse to do small scale work outside the lease. Ive done very well by using trilobite app to detect and fossick right up to the boundaries of mining leases. And I have worked for an international mining company in WA for 15 years of my life so i know exactly how they work.


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05 October 2020 01:10 am

As I said It's a Conservation area, so no you can't blaze a track in... Besides, that 'Four Wheel track' mentioned is not there anymore and the only way in is through the RED Zone... And that is Trespassing... Simples...

I really wouldn't mess with the Caretakers.. Trust me... Besides that , they have been given the job from NPWS, NSW Mines and Pacific Copper and signed agreements are in place.....

Allan Bond owned Pacific Copper and I think Pacific Copper is an still an aussie owned Company... Not 100% sure who owns it and I don't really care...

Im just delivering a very important Message from the Caretakers for those of us that fossick the area...... And there are quite a few of us on PA that do love going to the area..

Torrington is a very tricky area with National Park areas with no fossicking, to the NPWS State Conservation areas where you can fossick, to State forest and finally Private Land... You WILL NOT get away with your plan... sorry..

Plus, just to confuse you more, if you have a 'R' Firearm licence for NSW?(not sure if they still exist) you can also apply to NPWS for permission to shoot Feral Animals there as well...

LW...

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05 October 2020 01:45 am

Now here is a pic of some Illegal Fossickers Illegally Camping In the area in Question... They had Jackhammers on board and a big 5kva Generator...

All to power their LED Camp lights The Caretaker was told. roll mad .. Total BS and they got what they deserved...

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This ute looks very familiar in My area... So if I ever see them they will get an earful from Me too... mad

Remove this post if you think its too sensitive Mods...

LW....

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05 October 2020 05:12 pm

Only today on a 'Patrol' of the district, my Mate found 4 lots of 'People' digging Illegally .... One lot was so brazen, digging within 40m of a NO FOSSICKING sign...

Who Me ?
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Grubs... There really should be a website to list the names and Pics of these Grubs... And force them to do the right thing...

LW...

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05 October 2020 05:32 pm

I'd be checking with Local Council & Crown Lands as to the status of Butlers Rd & the adjoining tracks.
From what I can tell Butlers Rd doesn't appear to be private & the tracks may not be either?
If these are public or Crown roads/tracks they may be illegally blocking access (not withstanding any other illegal fossicking activities going on).
Worth checking. I can't access a Crown Lands map like Minview at the moment. Will try later.


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05 October 2020 06:12 pm

No most roads have been closed for years.... They did that back in the 70-80's as the terrain is too rough to maintain them... No funding from Council or Government for clearing roads and tracks... Most roads and tracks are not there anymore... I have been going there for years fossicking and know the district very well...

This shot of the map, has only a few tracks that you can drive on. Most are eroded that much there are Massive water courses across tracks Trees and all sorts of blockages...

From My bad memory, the tracks I have marked in green are the only ones in existence where you can actually drive on But not in the red area now... I don't even think the 'Landing Strip' can be used anymore... The power transmission line is not even there anymore... Only the poles in some areas exist...

1601880721_120196292_3486197161447523_44893992281951858313_n.jpg .. As I said before Its a very old map from the 70's when mining was booming in the area... Yes Six, Minfacts and such show these tracks, but they are not trafficable anymore...

And after the biggest Wildfires in the History of the area that destroyed ALL of Torrington Pendant and district along with around 22 homes Destroyed... The town of Torrington only had 12 homes that survived.... The area is an absolute Mess...
That's the reason the Fossicking areas are still closed....
And the reason the place was destroyed as the Firefighters could NOT gain access in there after all Air Support was withdrawn to help in other areas of the state last year... And just they let Torrington burn.... mad

After the wildfires they may open a few more tracks but I highly doubt it....

LW...

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05 October 2020 06:58 pm

If you download the Fire management Plan for the area,(shame it didn't work) Zoom in to the big Green Map at the bottom left.... In the centre, that area close to the Grey area is Pacific Copper's area...

All the roads that are trafficable and some are only just trafficable are marked in Yellow and if you travel the wrong way in areas, you wont get through.. Better going down hill than up hill...... As you can see when you compare maps, most aren't there anymore...

https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/-/me … 110215.pdf

This whole area of Torrington Pendant is very Mountainous terrain. Simular to the Victorian High Country but worse...... You can actually see the pendant from space...

Hope this clears things up...

LW....

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