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7.62marksman
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01 March 2020 12:45 pm

Ok no more sitting around so i am going to try and make an attachment for the Highbanker and turn it into a Highsluice

1: Trip to bunnings $34.00 later and have all the bits
2: Put it together (later today)
3: Find some rapids (Oallen here i come in the next few days)

First photo is the water feed pipe i used with the Highbanker if its not big enough i can always increase the hose size until i get enough water

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01 March 2020 12:59 pm

River flow/pressure and gravity to feed the water into the sluice? Following this one! Good luck.

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01 March 2020 01:05 pm

i think the length of the hose will play a big part it it so will be taking some shorter lenghts as well


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01 March 2020 01:12 pm

I have seen the Americans do it Ken and yeah you are going to need a bigger hose, preferably hard pvc in lengths.
But a start in the right direction none the less thumbsup
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01 March 2020 02:13 pm

Good luck with this Marksman,can’t wait to see your idea in action.Could be a game changer.

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01 March 2020 02:40 pm

https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au … w_copy.pdf

I have seen this in old pics and stories of sluicing with a monitor in the US during their gold rush. They had the advantage of plenty of water coming off the Rockies with the summer melt. The system works but, as others have said, you need rigid piping and a large inlet. The straighter your feed, the faster the water flows and the higher the pressure you attain at the sluice. I think that NSW still doesn’t allow the highbanker, regardless of the manner in which you feed the water. (Assuming you’re in NSW.) I regularly sluice in NSW and asked a Ranger if I could use what you are thinking of and he told me I couldn’t because the highbanker still sullied the water and I was limited by the amount of dirt that I could move anyway. And, regardless of how it was powered, highbankers are illegal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_mining

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01 March 2020 02:48 pm

i see what you are saying but by their own writing the only time they become illegal is when a power sourse is connected to them to pump water and thats in their own words
all i am doing is turning it into an above water sluice
i am in NSW and a sluice silts the water more then i have ever done with a highbanker
if they were set up properly then no silt would make it back into the river


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01 March 2020 02:55 pm

I reckon your right MM
Just need that river flowing

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01 March 2020 03:00 pm

StoneTheCrows wrote:

I reckon your right MM
Just need that river flowing

last time i was out there it was flowing very good so i hope it still is later this week cool cool


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01 March 2020 03:38 pm

Good Luck mate, I will follow with interest.
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01 March 2020 04:32 pm

Fnx50 wrote:

https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au … w_copy.pdf

I have seen this in old pics and stories of sluicing with a monitor in the US during their gold rush. They had the advantage of plenty of water coming off the Rockies with the summer melt. The system works but, as others have said, you need rigid piping and a large inlet. The straighter your feed, the faster the water flows and the higher the pressure you attain at the sluice. I think that NSW still doesn’t allow the highbanker, regardless of the manner in which you feed the water. (Assuming you’re in NSW.) I regularly sluice in NSW and asked a Ranger if I could use what you are thinking of and he told me I couldn’t because the highbanker still sullied the water and I was limited by the amount of dirt that I could move anyway. And, regardless of how it was powered, highbankers are illegal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_mining

Its the little red star in the Highbanker pic which tells the story. They arent illegal. You could syphon or hand feed one with water, bilging by hand might be a bit grey but in my eyes ok.

If it were me I would be all set up with my pump, highbanker and at least a 1000l litre ibc and feed by opening the valve at the bottom. When the IBC was empty i would use the pump to top the ibc up again. Legally Id argue the IBC was a basin, and the pump was used for filling the basin. Stupid restrictions imo.

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01 March 2020 04:51 pm

The pencil pusher needs a word/label to make something illegal, pliighbankers,high sluices...we will make them push t those pencils ?

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01 March 2020 05:06 pm

Love the idea marksman ,but static loss will kill it with a river/gravity feed flow ,keep the pipe the same size from start to finish to keep the volume of water at the sluice, if you want a bit of pressure, reduce your pipe at the sluice,and remember the further the water travels the less you get at the sluice,(static loss) good luck

Notice i did not say highbanker smile


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01 March 2020 05:22 pm

Those vids on fb of that Asian fella digging wells,fishponds and stuff with a stick, he uses split bamboo setup as sluices to run water where he needs it..

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01 March 2020 06:12 pm

I hear what has been said above. The Ranger I spoke to interpreted using the method of utilising reduction piping to increase water pressure as ‘hydraulic’ mining and referred to the guide. I’ve attached the section below:

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01 March 2020 07:37 pm

Fnx50 i see where you are coming from and i can tell you now every ranger has different opions i doubt you will ever get two with the same way of thinking

hydraulic
operated by, moved by, or employing water or other liquids in motion. operated by the pressure created by forcing water, oil, or another liquid through a comparatively narrow pipe or orifice.

the differance is i am not forcing the water it is running in its natural flow through a pipe to the hopper so to speak


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01 March 2020 07:39 pm

Fair point Fnx.

I think it would be an over-reach but it depends on which side of the fence you're standing on I guess.

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01 March 2020 08:11 pm

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking the idea. I have considered it, too. That’s why I asked the Ranger for his opinion.


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01 March 2020 10:59 pm

no worries mate
and yes everything comes with a "but"
but every person/ranger has their way of understanding the law
here we go again "but"
and my way of thinking he was wrong so thats my view
just because you have some higher education or uni degree dosent make you and expert
or just because you have a patch on your shoulder dosent make you the law (which some think that it does)
maybe you should have asked more then one ranger and see what the differance was
if i get done then so be it i will fight for what i think is right

Here is one for you
same office ONE DESK APART
I was building a mobile food van for the Salvation Army so we could feed people affected by flood, fire of road being closed due to fires
First call to the council "what do i need to do to the caravan to turn it into an emergency services food van"
Quote "are you selling the food answer no ok then the walls must be covered in stainless steal and floor with floor covering with no joins and be 6"up the wall to allow it to be hosed out"
Got quotes which came in at lowest $6k highest $11k
NOW REMEMBER I AM RINGING THE SAME OFFICE NUMBER
i RING BACK AND TALK TO A OH'S OFFICE BUT NOT THE SAME ONE AS BEFORE
same question as before and the answer was if i was not selling the food they did not want to know about it. NO need for stainless steal
so with the help of a few people we built that van and with a crew of 6 we were putting out between 200 to 300 meals an hour feeding Police, firies, homeless and everyone stuck by fires and floods and used that van for 10 years before it was retired

moral of the story if you ask only one person then you do not have the full story you only have one persons opinion


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01 March 2020 11:42 pm

Good idea MM please keep us informed,, I believe the answer to pressure is to use a larger pipe to begin with and reduce as it flows toward the equipment. There should be some formulas available on google

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01 March 2020 11:53 pm

Gilly47 wrote:

Good idea MM please keep us informed,, I believe the answer to pressure is to use a larger pipe to begin with and reduce as it flows toward the equipment. There should be some formulas available on google

ray clap perfect 100

will do mate the problem is i am the type of person who is a hit or miss type of guy
or if the first one dosent work then get a bigger hammer
lol or jokes aside i will be trying a few different ways to see what works thumbsup thumbsup


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02 March 2020 07:08 am

Sorry mate I'm a bit confused lol
I think I know what your planning to do and unfortunately here in Qld we can't divert the natural flow of the water.lol

So you need the water flowing to get the hose to work your highbanker is that the plan. smile


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02 March 2020 08:27 am

Yes mate that was the idea
You cant here as well but i am not building a dam or building a trench to divert the water


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02 March 2020 09:52 am

Gilly is pretty well right marksman,that crush proof pipe in the picture is way to small,start with the same size pipe as the outlet on the leaf catcher.it depends on what you are chasing -water pressure,water volume or both ,i think your biggest hurdle will be the height of the sluicebanker,you will have to have the input on the sluicebanker at least the same height or lower to get the same flow out as into the pipe.
You may have to re think the spray bar ,change it from pressure to volume ,so you are not restricting the flow to much.
A example of what i mean-lets say in my sweet potato washer with the brushes in it ,if i ran a pump at say 5,000litres a minute at 30 psi the spuds would come out of the wash with mud on them.
The pump that i ran moved 22,000 litres a minute at about 10 psi, the spuds came out clean, it was water volume that we had to have to clean the spuds not water pressure
Trying to make it a pressure wash can cause a lot of problems if you do not cut the different sized pipes at the right length it buggers all water volume and pressure,i have installed a lot of under ground irrigation pipe, and if we did not follow the blue prints the system would not work.
With my experience with water flow, i would err to the volume side of things.
It is all trial and error and remember the longer the pipe less water
just my thoughts marksman thumbsup


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02 March 2020 10:17 am

thanks mate i will take it on board and get a lot of different size pipes and keep trying until i get one that will give me enough water
i am not trying for pressure just volume


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