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Etienne
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02 February 2018 09:00 pm

Hi !

I just obtained my Miner's right in Perth and I have the access to Tengraph but I understand absolutely nothing with it, even with the notice...
I see that there is every tenement but I'm looking for the "Unllocated Crown Land (Vacant Land)" where I can prospect without permission. But I don't find it in Tengraph !! It is the areas with no color? How to be sure that it is one?

And another question, in the guide they gave me, it's written that I can prospect in pastoral lease after notify the pastoralist, so I can prospect even if they don't agree, I just need to notify them?

Thanks ! smile

(by the way if you know some Unallocated spots near Leonoro, I won't say no big_smile )

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02 February 2018 09:09 pm

On the beach or on a EL or Pl


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Etienne
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02 February 2018 09:27 pm

I meant in the bush around Kalgoorlie, Leonoro and Laverton ^^' (what is EL and PL?)

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03 February 2018 01:02 am

Hi mate, you need to have permission on an EL, either by written permission or a 40E permint. On a PL you need written permission. On an ML you need written permission.

The only ground you can detect on without permission or a permit is vacant crown land or a pending lease.

Saying that, you still need to contact the pastoralist if that vacant crown land or pending lease is covered by a pastoral lease.
Although crown land, the pastoralist still has rights afforded to him under the pastoral act.

Keep in mind there has been much rain in those areas over the last few weeks with still more on its way. Stay off station tracks if wet, you can be held liable for damage.

EL = Exploration lease
PL = prospecting License.
ML = Mining Lease


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03 February 2018 01:06 am

Is there a difference between pending and approved PLs MT

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03 February 2018 01:11 am

Yep, pending just means it's been applied for and just not yet approved.


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03 February 2018 01:13 am

So with pending for etienne what are the rules on pending
Mkind regards


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03 February 2018 01:19 am

Pending he can detect on, just notify the pastoralist if it's on a pastoral lease which it most likely will be.


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03 February 2018 01:22 am

Yup , if it’s on common land then a 40 e permit is reqired allowing a maximum of 20kgs of gold per permit ?pastoral land 40 e permit and permission obtained from the pastoralist is required . is my limited understanding ?

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03 February 2018 01:29 am

A 40E or written permission is required for an active (live) Exploration lease only.

You can't get a 40E for a PL or ML and don't need one on any Pending lease


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03 February 2018 01:33 am

madtuna wrote:

A 40E or written permission is required for an active (live) Exploration lease only.

You can't get a 40E for a PL or ML and don't need one on any Pending lease

My understanding if it’s pastoralists commonwealth land then notification needs to be given . My knowledge is antiquated , but at least I’m not from the USA

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03 February 2018 01:41 am

Most crown land this way is covered by pastoral leases, and yes just notify the pastoralist of your intentions.
Very simple requirement but amazing how many dont and it just serves to make it harder every year until soon it will be closed down.


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03 February 2018 01:46 am

Thanks MT, I assume purchasing a lease with a permit and of works , ie vegetation pushing would stop detectorists from venturing on your claim but until it’s approved then I’m wrong and glad I did not purchase Clemente’s and banana tenements at kookynie


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03 February 2018 01:52 am

If it's an active lease you're buying, nothing changes...it just changes hands and is still an active lease.
It's only when a lease lapses and starts the whole pending process again.

Saying that, about the only way you can stop numpies poaching on your lease is to be there.


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03 February 2018 01:58 am

Yeah that’s right , the Chinese bought it 6 hours before I arrived , they had thr accompanying lease to the north and east . My understanding is authorities are more vigilant these days but I find it hard to believe in WA where I used to operate machinery and live , it’s just too big


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03 February 2018 02:04 am

Nah they are more proactive now than they used to be. Office in Kalgoorlie and spend much time on the road travelling the gold fields, known hot spots and caravan parks.
Lost count of how many times I saw them last year and had to call on them a few times.


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03 February 2018 02:14 am

Good to hear , Busselton raised ,looling for a way back home to the West by way of mining again, spent to many years in an office on the east coast . Mining is in the blood , my uncle king brown spent 40 years as the final trimmer for haul roads and myself several years . Both for Henrywalker . A lease with a POW might just be my way back home

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03 February 2018 02:32 am

Unless it's a beauty at a good price, I wouldn't buy one I'd peg my own.


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03 February 2018 02:45 am

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03 February 2018 02:21 pm

Hi Etienne,

Not sure when you are heading out but I just cant stress enough the amount of water out here at the moment.

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-03/search-underway-for-five-missing-people-in-remote-wa/9393400

Please be careful.

Cheers!


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Etienne
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04 February 2018 09:11 pm

Thanks Madtuna, I understand almost how it works now big_smile

But if I chose a blue tenement (pending), I can have only the postal address of the owner, so I have to notify him by letter? It's a little bit annoying if I have to do that every time sad

I will probably go to prospect in 10 days, but yes I will be carreful smile

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04 February 2018 11:21 pm

Etienne wrote:

Thanks Madtuna, I understand almost how it works now big_smile

But if I chose a blue tenement (pending), I can have only the postal address of the owner, so I have to notify him by letter? It's a little bit annoying if I have to do that every time sad

I will probably go to prospect in 10 days, but yes I will be carreful smile

Hi Etienne,

Once you work out where you are going to detect, you'll obviously know what shire your pending ground is in. Every shire office office, post office, community centre etc will have contact details for the pastoralist. Also there's the internet.

A letter is fine but I've always found a phone call where you can both actually speak to each other or better still face to face contact is best. Sometimes though face to face isn't practical.

Yep it might be annoying but what's more annoying is the problems that can and do arise because some prospector hasn't notified the pastoralist. This also serves to make it harder for every one else.

If with all that you still cant find the pastoralists contact details, send me a pm and I'll find them for you.


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Etienne
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07 February 2018 12:06 am

Ok Madtuna I will try to contact them before and if I really don't find how to do it I'll contact you, thanks !

By the way I saw that you are the manager of the E. Station near Laverton, do I need a 40E permit to prospect here? If not, there is still few nuggets to find? Could be nice for my first detecting !

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07 February 2018 12:18 am

If the ground is not pending or vacant you need permission be it written or by 40E permit.

yes there are nuggets to find but the water at the moment make most of it inaccessable.

For example....

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I went detecting today but not on this station as it is way too wet and will be for a few weeks yet.


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Etienne
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07 February 2018 12:49 am

Wow, I didn't expect so much water in the bush, I have to be really carreful !

So as the manager you are able to give written permission or I have to contact the owner?


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