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#1

Tathradj
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07 August 2017 09:53 am

Here is a place you can post your settings.
Information as to which Detector,
Coil,
Type of ground.


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#2

Moneybox
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07 August 2017 11:19 am

Well I'll get it started.

Our SDC settings ..... FLAT OUT ..... It's rearly on less than 5 on the sensitivity. Sometimes I like to take the threshold down to 1 so that I can have it quiet but it rarely is. On most soil it chatters too much to define a genuine signal. Then we aim for the first setting where it sits steady 3. We mostly use Sunray Gold earphones but we have trouble at times with a bad connection at the audio plug and adapter cable. Then it's speaker only. I bought the booster but Mrs M says that it makes too much noise alreadt and refuses to use it. The detector has recently been back to Minelab for a new audio plug and we got a new adapter cable too so we should be all good this time smile

Last edited by Moneybox (07 August 2017 11:25 am)


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#3

shakergt
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14 August 2017 09:35 pm

What settings are people running for salt lakes with the GPX5000? I have tried detecting on a salt lakes with the settings set on salt gold, fixed ground balance (set in general), volume set at 15 and 11 inch mono coil. The problem is that targets are very faint to hear even with my sample bit of gold it is stil very faint. Any suggestions as to why this may be? I have even tried to change the volume up with no success.

#4

Mick64
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From: Albury, NSW
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17 November 2017 07:55 am

SDC

Standard settings for me are 4 with threshold 3. If it's a quiet day and the soil is good I'll crank it to 5 with threshold 3.

I use Deteknix wireless pro headphones if there is some wind or the the ground has a lot of leaf matter as they fit well and fully cover my ears. Other times I'll use the SS300, only prob is the muffs could be a bit larger as I hear external noise.

I'll use an external speaker with a booster on a good spring morning when there is no wind and no one else around

Mick


SDC2300 running Gold Extreme Coils, Equinox 800

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#5

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05 January 2019 01:14 am

qed pl2 settings. extremely variable and mineralised ground lots of magnetite and iron stone lots of hot rocks. 8 inch commander coil, mode 6 to 8, usually 8, bias 50, volume 70 to 80, gain 6. nice and stable 95% of the time only bit of tweaking. rpg headphones, using cheap chinese tx/rx unit, no problems what so ever. gold-nugget pickshovel thumbsup p.s make sure the tx or rx unit is not stuck to control box at all to avoid any interference. perfect

Last edited by grumpygold (05 January 2019 01:23 am)


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#6

grumpygold
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05 January 2019 01:20 am

nokta fors gold settings, only use in dry shallow creek beds. standard nokta 5 inch coil, and use just the boost mode as is standard no tweaking, also have auto ground track off, same goldfield as above post with qed. thumbsup smile thumbsup


gpx 4000 / qed / nokta fors gold /garret carrot / field lab kit / hand core drill kit / auger drill machine / field crushers and dolly pots / sieves to 500 mesh /pans ect.

#7

Thomasmos
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05 May 2020 06:57 am

Moneybox wrote:

Well I'll get it started.

Our SDC settings ..... FLAT OUT ..... It's rearly on less than 5 on the sensitivity. Sometimes I like to take the threshold down to 1 so that I can have it quiet but it rarely is. On most soil it chatters too much to define a genuine signal. Then we aim for the first setting where it sits steady 3. We mostly use Sunray Gold earphones but we have trouble at times with a bad connection at the audio plug and adapter cable. Then it's speaker only. I bought the booster but Mrs M says that it makes too much noise alreadt and refuses to use it. The detector has recently been back to Minelab for a new audio plug and we got a new adapter cable too so we should be all good this time smile

not bad idea


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#8

Moons
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21 June 2020 01:21 pm

Hi everyone ,
I am new to the site and new to prospecting. I have purchased a GPX 4500 and looking for any advice on settings and the best coil for this machine. Cheers

#9

Ded Driver
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21 June 2020 01:29 pm

depends on the ground you're on, & the coil you use, & the day in general.
start with factory default, then read/listen/learn & fiddle


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#10

Rockhunter62
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21 June 2020 05:43 pm

Moons wrote:

Hi everyone ,
I am new to the site and new to prospecting. I have purchased a GPX 4500 and looking for any advice on settings and the best coil for this machine. Cheers

Let people know what area you will be detecting in ( Vic Golden Triangle, NSW Hill End, WA Pilbara, etc) and I'm sure someone can help you. Welcome to the forum.

Cheers

Doug


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#11

Mirrors
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26 June 2020 06:20 pm

grumpygold wrote:

qed pl2 settings. extremely variable and mineralised ground lots of magnetite and iron stone lots of hot rocks. 8 inch commander coil, mode 6 to 8, usually 8, bias 50, volume 70 to 80, gain 6. nice and stable 95% of the time only bit of tweaking. rpg headphones, using cheap chinese tx/rx unit, no problems what so ever. gold-nugget pickshovel thumbsup p.s make sure the tx or rx unit is not stuck to control box at all to avoid any interference. perfect

Can anyone with knowledge verify mode and gain ? Seems to me a bit extreme

Thanks in advance

I have the sadie and 14 inch elite mono

#12

mbasko
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26 June 2020 06:31 pm

I never heard of anyone running a QED like that (at least prior to the last updates) especially in "extremely variable & mineralised ground".
Might be what was making ol' grumpgold (& his other alter egos) so grumpy.


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#13

Mirrors
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26 June 2020 06:56 pm

Thats what i thought... cheers

#14

DiggerDave68
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14 July 2020 02:31 am

mbasko wrote:

I never heard of anyone running a QED like that (at least prior to the last updates) especially in "extremely variable & mineralised ground".
Might be what was making ol' grumpgold (& his other alter egos) so grumpy.

Apparantly some machines run those settings with GB cranked right up. (i Know mine won't!) ?? See recent dunolly find on fb page, gb 296 or something. As a newbie it just confused me, so I'm not going back on fb till after lockdown as it's frustrating not being able to turn the machine on, let alone compare settings.

#15

mbasko
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14 July 2020 09:18 am

DiggerDave68 wrote:
mbasko wrote:

I never heard of anyone running a QED like that (at least prior to the last updates) especially in "extremely variable & mineralised ground".
Might be what was making ol' grumpgold (& his other alter egos) so grumpy.

Apparantly some machines run those settings with GB cranked right up. (i Know mine won't!) ?? See recent dunolly find on fb page, gb 296 or something. As a newbie it just confused me, so I'm not going back on fb till after lockdown as it's frustrating not being able to turn the machine on, let alone compare settings.

Once the lockdown is over you might benefit from a QED training day?
GB (ground balance) isn't a setting you crank up. It needs to be set &/or adjusted to suit the ground conditions of the area you're detecting. Some areas might balance ok at 296 others at 254 or 199 or 163 & so on. It's not something that you can "crank" up as such (it can be adjusted to be a bit "hot" but not advisable unless experienced IMO).
In some areas ground conditions can change pretty quickly so ground balance needs to be adjusted to suit the changes. Don't let the GB numbers confuse you - listen to the machine & adjust it to run as smoothly as possible over the prevailing ground conditions. From my experience different QED's can give different ground balance numbers on the same area so forget what others have theirs set to. Adjust yours to suit!
Prior to the latest update ground balance on the QED was 0-200 & updated QED's are now 0-300 giving wider ground balance adjustment.
For smooth operation I found running your Threshold B (bias) close to neutral was best - only slightly adjusted up (large targets) or down (small targets) for target bias. Neutral bias can differ on different QED's too so adjust bias to suit yours - don't use someone else's settings. For instance, depending on coil used, my neutral bias was anywhere between 48-52.
Mode is dependent on the coil being used. Generally speaking smaller coils (6 - 11") pre update seemed to work better at modes 3 to 5 & medium/large coils 4/5 up. The modes were also updated & I believe mode 1 is now closer to what mode 2-3 used to be. Lower modes are also better for small gold - higher modes larger gold.
Threshold A (volume) I found at high levels could make the QED a bit erratic for want of a better word. I found & have seen others agree that set at 30 to 50 seems to be good but it is probably something that is a personal preference.
Pre update, & in my experience + feedback from other users, it was very rare to hear anyone successfully running a gain as high as 6 in most cases. Usually I could only run gain at 3 or 4. I believe the new update has improved this too with improved GB allowing higher gain?

In short, pre updated QED as those settings were, running in "extremely variable & mineralised ground" with Threshold A 70-80 & gain of 6 with an 8" coil in mode 6 to 8 would have been erratic & counterproductive IMO. I doubt even with the new QED updates that those settings would be ideal in that ground type either.

Last edited by mbasko (14 July 2020 09:41 am)


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#16

DiggerDave68
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14 July 2020 12:45 pm

mbasko wrote:
DiggerDave68 wrote:
mbasko wrote:

I never heard of anyone running a QED like that (at least prior to the last updates) especially in "extremely variable & mineralised ground".
Might be what was making ol' grumpgold (& his other alter egos) so grumpy.

Apparantly some machines run those settings with GB cranked right up. (i Know mine won't!) ?? See recent dunolly find on fb page, gb 296 or something. As a newbie it just confused me, so I'm not going back on fb till after lockdown as it's frustrating not being able to turn the machine on, let alone compare settings.

Once the lockdown is over you might benefit from a QED training day?
GB (ground balance) isn't a setting you crank up. It needs to be set &/or adjusted to suit the ground conditions of the area you're detecting. Some areas might balance ok at 296 others at 254 or 199 or 163 & so on. It's not something that you can "crank" up as such (it can be adjusted to be a bit "hot" but not advisable unless experienced IMO).
In some areas ground conditions can change pretty quickly so ground balance needs to be adjusted to suit the changes. Don't let the GB numbers confuse you - listen to the machine & adjust it to run as smoothly as possible over the prevailing ground conditions. From my experience different QED's can give different ground balance numbers on the same area so forget what others have theirs set to. Adjust yours to suit!
Prior to the latest update ground balance on the QED was 0-200 & updated QED's are now 0-300 giving wider ground balance adjustment.
For smooth operation I found running your Threshold B (bias) close to neutral was best - only slightly adjusted up (large targets) or down (small targets) for target bias. Neutral bias can differ on different QED's too so adjust bias to suit yours - don't use someone else's settings. For instance, depending on coil used, my neutral bias was anywhere between 48-52.
Mode is dependent on the coil being used. Generally speaking smaller coils (6 - 11") pre update seemed to work better at modes 3 to 5 & medium/large coils 4/5 up. The modes were also updated & I believe mode 1 is now closer to what mode 2-3 used to be. Lower modes are also better for small gold - higher modes larger gold.
Threshold A (volume) I found at high levels could make the QED a bit erratic for want of a better word. I found & have seen others agree that set at 30 to 50 seems to be good but it is probably something that is a personal preference.
Pre update, & in my experience + feedback from other users, it was very rare to hear anyone successfully running a gain as high as 6 in most cases. Usually I could only run gain at 3 or 4. I believe the new update has improved this too with improved GB allowing higher gain?

In short, pre updated QED as those settings were, running in "extremely variable & mineralised ground" with Threshold A 70-80 & gain of 6 with an 8" coil in mode 6 to 8 would have been erratic & counterproductive IMO. I doubt even with the new QED updates that those settings would be ideal in that ground type either.

AS an owner I am well aware of the qed settings, and as you pointed out pre updated QED's only had gb to 200 so to be running 296 gb is an updated machine and running cranked up imo as none of the instruction video's or instructors I spoke to said this was normal even in mineralised ground. I run 10" X'coil spiral and detech 14" and GB around ballarat bendigo etc can drop as low as 125 with X-coil both coils are happiest in mode1 or 2. Have spoken to brian and wasn't happy with the explanation so will be seeing reg after ;ockdown for a chat.I enjoy my qed don't get me wrong, as I said I was confused By the variety of settings and the explanation given and will look into it further after lockdown when I can run my machine, I just don't want to feel I've been wasting my time with or been given incorrect information or a machine that won't perform as designed. But thanks anyway.(ps To crank up is to adjust something towards the upper levels of adjustment) not sure if you knew)

Last edited by DiggerDave68 (14 July 2020 12:53 pm)

#17

mbasko
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14 July 2020 02:20 pm

I know what "crank" it up means. hmm
There is absolutely no benefit in "cranking" up the ground balance to a ridiculous level.
The detector is either ground balanced or it is not. The numbers are irrelevant in that respect. As an example there is a chap from NZ who posts on Detector Prospector that can run mode 11 (Beach Mode) on their ground & in other modes can pretty much set the ground balance anywhere - the ground must be very benign where he is.
In some ground I did find the QED (once ground balanced to a point) could be very forgiving if adjusted above the ground balance point & this would likely be more apparent with the wider range? In most ground though you had to be fairly close to run stable & use the +/- manual adjustment to eliminate hot pockets, rocks etc.

You can slightly manually offset ground balance on any machine with manual adjustment which may give a better signal on some targets. Doing this will also likely give an improved response on hot rocks, hot pockets etc.

As said different QED's can give different numbers for things like neutral bias & ground balance. Don't get too focussed on other users numbers. Set yours for your ground, coil/mode, etc.


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#18

DiggerDave68
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15 July 2020 12:49 am

mbasko wrote:

I know what "crank" it up means. hmm
There is absolutely no benefit in "cranking" up the ground balance to a ridiculous level.
The detector is either ground balanced or it is not. The numbers are irrelevant in that respect. As an example there is a chap from NZ who posts on Detector Prospector that can run mode 11 (Beach Mode) on their ground & in other modes can pretty much set the ground balance anywhere - the ground must be very benign where he is.
In some ground I did find the QED (once ground balanced to a point) could be very forgiving if adjusted above the ground balance point & this would likely be more apparent with the wider range? In most ground though you had to be fairly close to run stable & use the +/- manual adjustment to eliminate hot pockets, rocks etc.

You can slightly manually offset ground balance on any machine with manual adjustment which may give a better signal on some targets. Doing this will also likely give an improved response on hot rocks, hot pockets etc.

As said different QED's can give different numbers for things like neutral bias & ground balance. Don't get too focussed on other users numbers. Set yours for your ground, coil/mode, etc.

While a newbie to pi's and this forum, I am not to life, as previously mentioned have spoken to brian and will be contacting reg after covid. Do not need lessons on my qed as it isn't overly complicated getting it quiet. But as someone who likes to work on his own stuff and see how things worked, I am simply looking for information. Just as I would if tuning a car, the what was done isn't always enough, sometimes I can get a bit anal about the why because I can't get an explanation that clicks and makes sense, if the material is technichal and complicated (as pi detectors are). I'm happy to spend lockdown doing some tech research(because I know nothing it seems) and catch up with reg after with all my questions and if need be will try and contact brian or howard because I know they'll be happy to help.

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XLOOX
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15 July 2020 06:42 pm

Umm DiggerDave68,

Mbasko is one of the most helpful and well respected folk on this forum.

Look at the time he has taken and level of detail he has provided to try & help you.

If you wish to take offense at some aspect of his wording then thats your perogative but you are probably standing out there on your own with that view.

None of the members HAVE to contribute to a question & if you read some of mbaskos contributions to others he has sometimes been the only one to reply in a manner to directly help a poster.

Sorry if he was unable to help you.


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#20

Caggoss
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16 July 2020 09:05 am

Hi guys. 4500 with 12inch Evo coil. Around Maryborough. Last time was a bit wet. Will this interfere much.
Cheers.

#21

dirtdiggin
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18 July 2020 09:08 pm

SDC
I try and run it so it has a smooth threshold so usually 1-4 sensitivity as the SDC can be quite noisy and therefore miss those sort signals, so to counteract this I run the sP01 booster with a high volume so those faint sounds stand out !, I went detecting with a guy who only ever runs one sensitivity of 1 or max 2 and I couldn’t believe how much small stuff he was getting and then we did tests of very faint targets still untouched in the ground he detected very slowly and he was hearing stuff I wasn’t with mine on 5 sensitivity! I now mostly run on 2 or 3 if the detector is quite.
He also uses one of the prototype 10x5 coils and dose very well with that setup.

#22

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18 July 2020 09:20 pm

Quality headphones will enhance the sdc sounds .


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#23

DiggerDave68
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19 July 2020 06:13 am

XLOOX wrote:

Umm DiggerDave68,

Mbasko is one of the most helpful and well respected folk on this forum.

Look at the time he has taken and level of detail he has provided to try & help you.

If you wish to take offense at some aspect of his wording then thats your perogative but you are probably standing out there on your own with that view.

None of the members HAVE to contribute to a question & if you read some of mbaskos contributions to others he has sometimes been the only one to reply in a manner to directly help a poster.

Sorry if he was unable to help you.

Pretty sure it was Mbasko who took offence to me using the words "cranked up" with regards to ground Balance. And I don't believe I said anything offensive, besides which Mbasko has not said anthing to indicate as such, and if that's the case is more than capable of speaking for himself. I am sorry if YOU found offence and would encourage you to speak to the person you claim to be defending before accusing others. But as you have, and I'm in lockdown (with nothing better to do) please enlighten me as to what I said that you feel has so offended Mbasko and I will address the issue, as you seem to feel it's fine to offend me with your baseless accusations.

#24

mbasko
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19 July 2020 09:49 am

Caggoss wrote:

Hi guys. 4500 with 12inch Evo coil. Around Maryborough. Last time was a bit wet. Will this interfere much.
Cheers.

Wet ground can be difficult.
May need to lower the gain a bit or even try Sensitive Smooth with the Evo.
Also normal mono coils (Commander, NF Advantage) can handle it better but if really noisy a DD might be needed?


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#25

mbasko
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From: Central West NSW
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19 July 2020 10:18 am

DiggerDave68 wrote:
XLOOX wrote:

Umm DiggerDave68,

Mbasko is one of the most helpful and well respected folk on this forum.

Look at the time he has taken and level of detail he has provided to try & help you.

If you wish to take offense at some aspect of his wording then thats your perogative but you are probably standing out there on your own with that view.

None of the members HAVE to contribute to a question & if you read some of mbaskos contributions to others he has sometimes been the only one to reply in a manner to directly help a poster.

Sorry if he was unable to help you.

Pretty sure it was Mbasko who took offence to me using the words "cranked up" with regards to ground Balance. And I don't believe I said anything offensive, besides which Mbasko has not said anthing to indicate as such, and if that's the case is more than capable of speaking for himself. I am sorry if YOU found offence and would encourage you to speak to the person you claim to be defending before accusing others. But as you have, and I'm in lockdown (with nothing better to do) please enlighten me as to what I said that you feel has so offended Mbasko and I will address the issue, as you seem to feel it's fine to offend me with your baseless accusations.

Just pointing out you don't crank the ground balance setting up is all! You didn't offend me.
Your posts do however seem to indicate some confusion on your part with settings, other advice you've recieved etc. & also a level of sarcasm in your replies that some might be offended by? It may just be the written word conveying things badly?
My replies only sought to try & assist you as it appeared that you didn't understand ground balance/ground balancing well. I hadn't replied due to your replies that seemed sarcastic & didn't want to start a shite slinging match, no other reason, & think replying now probably isn't a good idea either? It seems nobody from QED sales, on Facebook or here can help you? Might be more about you than the advice?
Confused about these comments:
"Do not need lessons on my qed as it isn't overly complicated getting it quiet. 
"sometimes I can get a bit anal about the why because I can't get an explanation that clicks and makes sense, if the material is technichal and complicated (as pi detectors are)."
Anyhow, enough from me on this & the QED, good luck with it all DD68 thumbsup


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