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karelian65
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09 March 2017 05:26 pm

Just got this today, the Coiltek 6" mono Tdi coil. It came with mounting hardware for the White's lower rod, but the rubber washer didn't impress me much, so it ended up on a Minelab lower instead and much better for it.. Tested on a Tdi Pro OZ, just an air test on a 1 grain ingot. Clear signal at 12 centimeters, 4+ inches, whispers out to 15 plus centimeters, 6 inches+. That a Tdi Pro air test, ground balance off, gain at 5, frequency in the middle, 10us, in ALL, 1 grain ingot.. I'll shortly do a comparison with other 6" mono coils, Miner John, White's, older Coiltek, etc Sadie etc, whatever small gold coils I can find to compare with. Start with air tests and finish off later with in the ground tests in the field.

All the best,
Karelian1489040564_tdi_coil_3.jpg1489040580_tdi_coil_5.jpg1489040593_tdi_coil.jpg

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09 March 2017 05:32 pm

Don't worry about testing the Whites 7.5 Coil, I tested the 7.5 DF version and seeing as it has a 3 or 4 inch coil right in the centre it should have been very hot but it is blind as a bat, and has the same performance as the 12" when it comes to small nuggets,

John.


Dig em all,

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09 March 2017 06:04 pm

Too many small coils a lot will end up being sold off soon I suspect. Looking at the old Jimmy Duelfield 10 x 6, NF Sadie, 10 x 6 Longreach Razorback, Miner John's 9 x 5 folded mono and the 6" folded mono, older Coiltek 6" mono, Mini Jimmy 6 x 4. White's 150 6" mono. Need to clean house a bit, got a few with my Sl and more with the Pro. Looking forward to doing the comparisons. Suspect the new Coiltek will be a keeper. but I'll wait and see.

Just added an image of the 1 grain ingot between an Australian 5c and us 25c coin. Helps put things in context. Electronic panning..
Karelian
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09 March 2017 07:23 pm

Thanks for the report Karelian, I look forward to seeing how it compares with the Sadie.

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nesral
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09 March 2017 09:53 pm

I will go with the 6" Miner John Coil.

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karelian65
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09 March 2017 11:42 pm

This comparison has the potential to get interesting. The contenders..1489063233_smallgold.jpg

I'm only keeping one!

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10 March 2017 06:46 pm

Preliminary report, air test only, still more to do but just giving you a taste.
Tdi Pro, gain max, conductivity in ALL, frequency full left (best for emi), 10us, using Nokia MD11 external amplified speaker.. Steady repeatable signals ONLY NO WHISPERS...

Coiltek 6" Mono Tdi series. 1 Grain ingot 11cm, 5 cents 32cm, 3 pence 30cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 25cm, 1/2 Sovereign 35cm, 1 penny 34cm.

Nugget Finder 'Sadie' 8 x6 1 Grain ingot 12cm, 5 cents 30cm, 3 pence 30cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 26cm, 1/2 Sovereign 35cm, 1 penny 34cm.

Miner John 6" Folded Mono 1 Grain ingot 8cm, 5 cents 27cm, 3 pence 27cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 22cm, 1/2 Sovereign 31cm, 1 penny 32cm.

Miner J' 9 x 5 Folded Mono 1 Grain ingot 8cm, 5 cents 28cm, 3 pence 26cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 22cm, 1/2 Sovereign 33 cm, 1 penny 32cm.

Nugget Finder was more consistent and had stronger 'hits' than Coiltek 6" Tdi series on the 1 grain ingot, it appears to be leading at this stage, but I have more coils to air test over the weekend, grounds tests will follow just a bit after that. How they perform in the ground is the real story but I can't get out of town just yet.

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11 March 2017 01:18 pm

Last of the 'small' coils air tests. Same detector settings as above.

Coiltek Goldstalker 6" mono 1 grain 8cm, 5 cents 27cm, 3 pence 28cm, 0.5 Gold coin 20cm, 1/2 Sovereign 28cm, 1 penny 28cm.

Jimmy Duelfield 10 x 6 1 grain 7cm, 5 cents 31cm, 3 pence 30cm, 0.5 Gold coin 24cm, 1/2 Sovereign 34cm, 1 penny 33 cm.

White's 150 6" mono 1 grain 5cm, 5 cents 27cm, 3 pence 27cm, 0.5 Gold coin 22cm, 1/2 Sovereign 27cm, 1 penny 28cm.

Razorback Longreach 10x6 1grain 8cm, 5 cents 32cm, 3 pence 32cm, 0.5 gold coin 27cm, 1/2 Sovereign 32cm, 1 penny 33 cm.

Mini Jimmy 6x4 mono 1 grain 7cm, 5 cents 23cm, 3 pence 21cm, 05 gold coin 22cm, 1/2 Sovereign 24cm, 1 penny 24cm

Older Coiltek Goldstalker certainly fails to impress, the new Tdi series along with Sadie and Razorback Longreach 10 x 6 mono do impress me.1489198530_testing1.jpg1489198543_testing2.jpg
I guess we can draw our own conclusions. Ground tests to follow.
All the best,
Karelian

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#9

Dan79
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11 March 2017 08:15 pm

Would like to see how the new coiltek 11inch round mono would compare smile

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karelian65
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11 March 2017 10:33 pm

Dan79 if the new Coiltek 6" Tdi Series coil is any indication then the whole lineup does offer interesting possibilities.. Only have to look at the
performance of the Tdi Series coil over the older Goldstalker Series coil, a significant step up.. yes the 11 mono is probably the best size.

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12 March 2017 02:16 pm

Air test winners,

1 grain ingot Winner is Nugget Finder Sadie at 12cm followed in second by Coiltek Tdi Series 6" mono at 11cm.

0.5 grain gold coin. Winner is Razorback Longreach 10 x 6 mono at 27cm, second goes to Nugget Finder Sadie at 26cm.

5c coin. Winners are Coiltek Tdi 6" mono at 32cm draws with Razorback Longreach 10 x 6 mono also at 32cm, second Jimmy duelfield at 31cm.

3 pence. Winner is Razorback Longreach 10x6 mono at 32cm, second shared 3 ways between Jimmy duelfield, Sadie, Coiltek Tdi 6" all at 30cm.

1/2 Sovereign. Winners Coiltek Tdi 6" and Sadie both at 35cm, second to Jimmy duelfield at 34cm.

1 Penny. Winners Coiltek Tdi and Sadie both at 34cm, second shared by Jimmy duelfield and Razorback Longreach 10 x 6 mono, both at 33cm.

In ground testing to follow shortly.

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Dan79
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12 March 2017 05:10 pm

Nice i have ordered the 11 inch coiltech tdi coil. Should be here next week ill let you know how it goes

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davent
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12 March 2017 07:46 pm

Check Wal and Liz,s you tube vids, Liz uses a sadie on her TDI Oz Pro and seems to do pretty well with it.

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karelian65
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13 March 2017 09:30 am

I've been asked to throw a few 'larger' coils into the mix. I'll do the same air tests and include them in the ground tests later.
White's OZ single field and US spec Duelfield coils, Miner John made for Jimmy Sierra 'Digger' 14 x 8 mono and Detech 15 x 10 mono.
A bit off track but it can't hurt.
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13 March 2017 10:42 am

Air test results, as requested..

Digger 14 x 8 mono 1 grain 7cm, 5c 36cm, 3 pence 36cm, 0.5 gold coin 27cm, 1/2 Sov 37cm, Penny 36cm, Buckle 61cm.

Detech 15 x 10 mono 1grain 7cm, 5c 38cm, 3 pence 38cm, 0.5 gold coin 31cm, 1/2 Sov 42cm, Penny 40cm, Buckle 66cm.

Whites Oz 12 Mono 1 grain 8cm, 5c 37cm, 3 pence 36cm, 0.5 gold coin 27cm, 1/2 Sov 40cm, Penny 38cm, Buckle 63cm.

Whites 12 Duelfield 1 grain 6cm, 5c 33cm, 3 pence 35cm, 0.5 gold coin 28cm, 1/2 Sov 37cm, Penny 37cm, Buckle 63cm.1489362139_detech.jpg

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18 March 2017 02:59 pm

Secret test location for ground tests, not my back yard! Results on Thursday.1489809282_location6.jpg1489809303_location3.jpg1489809319_location1.jpg1489809335_location4.jpg1489809367_location5.jpg

Rich red earth, dirty quartz, ironstone, hot rocks and all the good stuff we have come to expect on the goldfields.

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23 March 2017 04:18 pm

Rain and thunderstorms combined with clouds of large flies conspired to delay testing, but failed to stop it. Results posted this weekend.1490246068_test.jpg1490246084_test3.jpg
Moist ground made bad soil worse.. all coils suffered equally.

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25 March 2017 05:55 pm

Tdi Pro Oz Series settings, gain 5, ground balance 8.5-9, Frequency all the way left, Conductivity in ALL, built in speaker volume max, threshold steady past warbles. Batteries changed and kept fresh. Ground was heavily mineralized and a bit moist. Pulse Delay 10.

Targets were buried and depth measurements are accurate to the nearest centimeter. Target response needed to be a clear repeatable signal on every sweep in both directions, no matter how faint.

Coiltek Tdi Series 6" mono: 1 grain 5.5cm, 5 cents 23cm, 3 pence 21cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 18cm, 1/2 Sovereign 26cm, 1 penny 24cm,
Buckle 40cm, US Quarter 24cm.

Nugget Finder 'Sadie' mono 1grian 6cm, 5 cents 27cm, 3 pence 21cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 21cm, 1/2 Sovereign 27cm, 1 penny 31cm, Buckle 43cm,
Us Quarter 25cm.

Miner John 6" folded mono 1 grain 5cm, 5 cents 21cm, 3 pence 16cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 15cm, 1/2 Sovereign 21cm, 1 penny 25cm, Buckle 37cm,
US Quarter 22cm.

Miner John 9x5 Folded mono 1 grain 5cm, 5c 20cm, 3 pence 15cm, 0.5 gram gold coin 14cm, 1/2 Sovereign 21 cm, 1 penny 27cm, Buckle 41cm,
US Quarter 22cm.

Jimmy 10 x 6 Duelfield 1 grain 3.5cm, 5cents 23cm, 3 pence 19cm, 0.5g gold coin 16cm, 1/2 Sovereign 24cm, 1 penny 27cm, Buckle 42cm,
US Quarter 22cm.

Coiltek 6" mono Goldstalker 1 grain 4cm, 5 cents 21cm, 3 pence 14cm, 0.5g gold coin 12cm, 1/2 Sovereign 22cm, 1 penny 21cm, Buckle 36cm
US Quarter 19cm.

Whites 150 6" mono 1 grain 3cm, 5 cents 19cm, 3 pence 17cm, 0.5 g gold coin 14cm, 1/2 Sovereign 19cm, 1 penny 23cm, Buckle 36cm,
US Quarter 20cm.

Razorback 10x6 Longreach 1 grain 4.5cm, 5 cents 25cm, 3 pence 22cm, 0.5g gold coin 17cm, 1/2 Sovereign 29cm, 1 penny 30cm, Buckle 45cm,
US Quarter 25cm.

Mini Jimmy 6x4 mono 1 grain 4cm, 5 cents 13cm, 3 pence 14cm, 0.5g gold coin 12cm, 1/2 Sovereign 16cm, 1 penny 18cm, Buckle 31cm,
US Quarter 16cm.

1 grain First NF 'Sadie at 6cm, Second Coiltek Tdi Series at 5.5cm. Third Miner John folded mono 6" and 9x5 both at 5cm.

5 cents First NF Sadie at 27cm, Second Razorback Longreach 10x6 mono at 25cm, Third Jimmy Duelfield 10x6 and Coiltek 6" Tdi both at 23cm.

3 pence First Razorback Longreach 10x6 mono at 22cm. Second NF Sadie and Coiltek 6" Tdi both at 21cm. Third Jimmy Duelfield at 19cm.

0.5 g gold coin First NF Sadie 21cm, Second Coiltek Tdi 18cm. Third Razorback Longreach 10x6 mono at 17cm.

1/2 Sov First Razorback Longreach 10x6 mono at 29cm. Second NF Sadie at 27cm. Third Coiltek 6' Tdi at 26cm.

1 Penny First NF Sadie 31cm. Second Razorback Longreach 10x6 mono at 30cm. Third Jimmy Duelfield 10x6 and MJ Folded 9x5 both at 27cm.

US Quarter. First NF Sadie and Razorback Longreach both at 25cm. Second Coiltek Tdi 6" mono at 24cm. Third Miner John 9x5 + 6" folded mono's and Jimmy Duelfield 10 x 6 all three at 22cm.

White's Buckle. First Razorback Longreach at 45cm. Second NF Sadie at 43cm. Third Jimmy Duelfield at 42cm.

So we can again draw our own conclusion, there are a few 'stand outs'...
All the best.

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25 March 2017 06:24 pm

great test mate, one of the best ive seen, well done.wish I had a sadie!!!

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25 March 2017 06:32 pm

great test mate, one of the best ive seen, well done.

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25 March 2017 07:31 pm

Can I just ask how big or what weight is " 1 grain" as mentioned numerous times?
Regards
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25 March 2017 07:39 pm

karelian65 wrote:

Too many small coils a lot will end up being sold off soon I suspect. Looking at the old Jimmy Duelfield 10 x 6, NF Sadie, 10 x 6 Longreach Razorback, Miner John's 9 x 5 folded mono and the 6" folded mono, older Coiltek 6" mono, Mini Jimmy 6 x 4. White's 150 6" mono. Need to clean house a bit, got a few with my Sl and more with the Pro. Looking forward to doing the comparisons. Suspect the new Coiltek will be a keeper. but I'll wait and see.

Just added an image of the 1 grain ingot between an Australian 5c and us 25c coin. Helps put things in context. Electronic panning..
Karelian
https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au … 1grain.jpg

I posted an image of the 1 grain ingot earlier this thread, smaller than a match head.. 5 cents on the left and US 25 cents on the right with 1 grain ingot in the middle. 1 grain = 0.0647989 grams. 1 gram = 15.43236 grains.
Hope this helps..1490431109_1grain.jpg

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25 March 2017 09:30 pm

These two certainly gave a good performance.1490437632_winners1.jpg1490437647_winners3.jpg

Both designed for Australian conditions and yes the Sadie stood out.

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Mackka
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26 March 2017 11:08 am

Thanks K65
Mackka

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Magilla
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26 March 2017 07:24 pm

Thanks for putting in the time and effort mate, you can't argue against a test like that where it is an even playing field for all the coils. I am not surprised the Sadie came up so well, it is a great little coil.


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