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#801

goldtrapper
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20 December 2018 02:53 pm

Hello Reg Wilson, would you have knowledge of the Detec 18 X 12 Monoloop Open Design coil being used with the QED? Do you know of any results with it?
I am looking at a QED for trying some open paddocks that had a bit of gold found in them and would like to cover a large area but pick up gram pieces as well as larger pieces down deeper. I have watched some of you videos.
Cheers, Goldtrapper.

#802

Reg Wilson
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20 December 2018 05:56 pm

goldtrapper, two of my favorite 'paddock' coils.... 25" 3 spoke Nuggetfinder mono..... 18" Detech open mono. Both of these are large but light and capable of finding sub gram colors, and larger pieces at depth as well as giving excellent coverage. Some of the enclosed larger monos are also good but heavier.


Walmer Central Victoria
Began detecting 1979 Best colour 3Kgs Best patch 340 ozs.

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#803

Reg Wilson
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20 December 2018 06:18 pm

mbasko, this forum has been most fair in its treatment of the QED and my comments were not directed at PA but at others. The QED owners who have had some success are not members here, although I have encouraged them to join.
I am aware of the comments of a small number of pro QED people, and yes, I agree that they are over the top and unhelpful. I don't believe I have had a 'swipe' as you put it, but there have been some who just could not adapt to a different concept, and have sold their QEDs. I was personally involved with one such person and no matter how many times I tried to get them used to the detector it just didn't work out. I later found out that they had a history of swapping from one detector brand to another. Some have been detecting for years with different machines and found no gold at all, while others I have witnessed finding gold on their first day detecting. I took out a lady who lives nearby, and she found a nice bit just under an ounce within the first half hour. The irony there was that all I could find at that spot was a couple of sub grammers.

Mod Tathradj Edit.
Thanks Reg.
Please, I am not using my privileges to agree with you but,
I know a good thing when I see it.
Any one who wish's to join PA and wants to share their QED
experiences with us, They are most welcome too and without
fear of being slammed with negativity.


Walmer Central Victoria
Began detecting 1979 Best colour 3Kgs Best patch 340 ozs.

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#804

Tathradj
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From: Tathra, NSW
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20 December 2018 06:32 pm

I myself have been very lax on my comments about the QED. ops
As it stands at the moment,
The QED is a very capable machine.
When I am right I do not and will not back down. thumbsup

Times lately for the detecting time have been like hell to find.
I have set my sights on putting it out there for all to see and
in my own, Personal opinion,
The QED to me is a brilliant machine.

Only way to describe the machines capabilities and operation,
It is a prospectors machine.
Not a gadget that does every thing for you.
But do not let that put you off.
Like any piece of equipment, Learn how to use it. I picked up how
to set it up within 20 minutes of use.

And it pinged a target 22 grams at 450 mm deep with a Sadie on it. cool

I quite like it. perfect perfect


A couple of HiBankers inc. accessories, , QED, 4500, SDC2300, Gt1600,
Aldi, A Prado 4x4, A'Van Cruiseliner and a heck of a lot of determination.
Most importantly, A lot of Good Honest Friends. Maybe one day Lucky.

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#805

Tathradj
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From: Tathra, NSW
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20 December 2018 06:45 pm

No matter what size, Shape or brand of coil,
The QED can be setup for it.
You have to remember, A metal detector is a Transmitter and a receiver.

You have to find the right "Harmonic " for the coil.
Type of ground, moisture, etc.
Like any machine, Once you have found that knee, Away you go.
QED has 16 modes and 2 bias settings for that.
How many variables do you need. angel
And it is quite easy to find them.
The machine will tell you that. thumbsup
I had mine running on brick red ironstone in a potato patch. (Super Secret Spot. )
And that was with the new Nugget finder evo coil.
Quite as. No problemo.
But bloody phone ringing telling me to come home and rain was a variable I did not want.
650 Klm's away.
I was not very impressed I assure you but,
" I'll be Back. "


A couple of HiBankers inc. accessories, , QED, 4500, SDC2300, Gt1600,
Aldi, A Prado 4x4, A'Van Cruiseliner and a heck of a lot of determination.
Most importantly, A lot of Good Honest Friends. Maybe one day Lucky.

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#806

mbasko
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From: Central West NSW
Joined: 27 January 2015
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20 December 2018 07:17 pm

Congrats on the 22 grammer party


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#807

goldtrapper
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20 December 2018 08:50 pm

Reg Wilson wrote:

goldtrapper, two of my favorite 'paddock' coils.... 25" 3 spoke Nuggetfinder mono..... 18" Detech open mono. Both of these are large but light and capable of finding sub gram colors, and larger pieces at depth as well as giving excellent coverage. Some of the enclosed larger monos are also good but heavier.

Thanks Reg, thats exactly the information I was looking for to back up what I thought. The 18" Detech open mono will be the coil I use.
Cheers, GT.

#808

grumpygold
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06 January 2019 09:52 pm

just came accross this qed video on youtube, must be a newie aint seen it before, not a long video, but very impressive results though thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


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#809

grumpygold
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08 January 2019 07:10 am

mite have to chase up one of these coils i think thumbsup

Last edited by grumpygold (08 January 2019 07:11 am)


gpx 4000 / qed / nokta fors gold /garret carrot / field lab kit / hand core drill kit / auger drill machine / field crushers and dolly pots / sieves to 500 mesh /pans ect.

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#810

Rush
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08 January 2019 10:37 am

grumpygold wrote:

just came accross this qed video on youtube, must be a newie aint seen it before, not a long video, but very impressive results though

I see that the videos of a GPZ and GPX at the same test site over the same targets show the QED is as capable even more so on the final target that the GPZ and GPX failed to respond too.

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#811

Northeast
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08 January 2019 11:06 am

Rush wrote:
grumpygold wrote:

just came accross this qed video on youtube, must be a newie aint seen it before, not a long video, but very impressive results though

I see that the videos of a GPZ and GPX at the same test site over the same targets show the QED is as capable even more so on the final target that the GPZ and GPX failed to respond too.

Are you able to stick up a link to that one Rush? Would be interested to see it thumbsup

#812

Mirrors
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From: Melbourne , VIC
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08 January 2019 11:18 am

https://youtu.be/zxXJ7HcWpyg
This one ?

#813

Rush
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08 January 2019 11:25 am

Northeast wrote:

Are you able to stick up a link to that one Rush? Would be interested to see it thumbsup

Actually watched the videos on this australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum website.

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#814

mbasko
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From: Central West NSW
Joined: 27 January 2015
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08 January 2019 11:26 am

Rush wrote:
grumpygold wrote:

just came accross this qed video on youtube, must be a newie aint seen it before, not a long video, but very impressive results though

I see that the videos of a GPZ and GPX at the same test site over the same targets show the QED is as capable even more so on the final target that the GPZ and GPX failed to respond too.

The purpose of the GPZ testing was to compare some prototype coils to the standard GPZ coils not to compete against the QED. I believe that the GPZ was left in the same settings for comparison & weren't amped up at all for the test bed to improve the target responses. Dave could confirm or debunk that.
Videos available here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYZBA5 … fNVqebP5YA

I don't see how the QED was very impressive? Its a test bed after all not real in situ gold.
As a former QED user it even highlights a couple of it's nuances being the sporadic ground chirps at 20, 40 & 50 secs + a sometimes wishy washy signal response I.e. it's a good signal but then can seem to be diminished on some sweeps.
IMO the QED is amped up for the test bed for best results (due to the chirps). Some sort of an effort to counter the GPZ coil testing (for what reason?? but I see the GPZ coil tests have caused Doug & Co. some angst).


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#815

mbasko
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Joined: 27 January 2015
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08 January 2019 11:27 am

Mirrors wrote:

No


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#816

Rush
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08 January 2019 11:55 am

People can make their own mind up in regards to the comparisons of the three detectors over the same targets.

#817

mbasko
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Joined: 27 January 2015
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08 January 2019 12:13 pm

Rush wrote:

People can make their own mind up in regards to the comparisons of the three detectors over the same targets.

Exactly & I bet it won't be long until someone goes back with the GPZ amped up to improve target responses there for those that think test beds are the holy grail of detector performance.
It all proves nothing.


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#818

mbasko
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08 January 2019 12:19 pm

Rush wrote:
Northeast wrote:

Are you able to stick up a link to that one Rush? Would be interested to see it thumbsup

Actually watched the videos on this australianelectronicgoldprospectingforum website.

That website is a complete poop hole


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#819

Reg Wilson
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08 January 2019 12:49 pm

Some time back I did a test using my GPZ, and QED, accompanied by Bill Schultz (Wombat) at the Coiltek test pad at Lucknow lead Maryborough. Bill had his GPX5000, and we tested all 3 machines. As far as Mbasko's claim about the QED being tweaked up while the other machines being dumbed down, I can assure you, and Bill is my witness, that was not the case. The QED picked out each target as clearly as both the other machines, and on the deeper target was actually better.
All machines were set up so that they were usable off the pad as well as on it. It was possible to tweak up each machine to get a better target response, however that made them nonfunctional for general use in the field. I have now been using a QED for over 2 years, and would not claim to have mastered it in a short period of use.


Walmer Central Victoria
Began detecting 1979 Best colour 3Kgs Best patch 340 ozs.

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#820

Araratgold
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From: Ararat, VIC
Joined: 31 July 2014
Posts: 250
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08 January 2019 01:23 pm

mbasko wrote:
Rush wrote:
grumpygold wrote:

just came accross this qed video on youtube, must be a newie aint seen it before, not a long video, but very impressive results though

I see that the videos of a GPZ and GPX at the same test site over the same targets show the QED is as capable even more so on the final target that the GPZ and GPX failed to respond too.

The purpose of the GPZ testing was to compare some prototype coils to the standard GPZ coils not to compete against the QED. I believe that the GPZ was left in the same settings for comparison & weren't amped up at all for the test bed to improve the target responses. Dave could confirm or debunk that.
Videos available here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYZBA5 … fNVqebP5YA

I don't see how the QED was very impressive? Its a test bed after all not real in situ gold.
As a former QED user it even highlights a couple of it's nuances being the sporadic ground chirps at 20, 40 & 50 secs + a sometimes wishy washy signal response I.e. it's a good signal but then can seem to be diminished on some sweeps.
IMO the QED is amped up for the test bed for best results (due to the chirps). Some sort of an effort to counter the GPZ coil testing (for what reason?? but I see the GPZ coil tests have caused Doug & Co. some angst).

I'm hearing you mbasko.

I actually left a comment on the video to that effect, but of course Howard deleted my comments after I replied with many counter points to his reply ( which of course tried to publicly belittle me ). thumbsdown He just hasn't got over the fact that I did a couple of vids without him ( and yes, I did initially agree to do them with him ).

Cannot, and will not tolerate any person who points out the QED shortcomings, and will go to great lengths to silence them ! thumbsdown

One of the many points I made was that if the QED is so good, why doesn't his nephew in law Corey Matthews, who runs CGS Gold Tours, use one in WA ????? Simple answer is that the QED is no good over there for prospecting !

Now I will sit back and wait for the QED sycophants to launch yet another personal attack on me ! But you know what, I don't give a rats !

Rick

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#821

Reg Wilson
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08 January 2019 01:32 pm

Get over it Rick. Corey Mathews posted his support for Blair Cotrell on Facebook, so does not always have very good judgement. I am not a fan of Neo Nazis.


Walmer Central Victoria
Began detecting 1979 Best colour 3Kgs Best patch 340 ozs.

#822

Redfin
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Joined: 26 February 2013
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08 January 2019 01:39 pm

Rush wrote:

People can make their own mind up in regards to the comparisons of the three detectors over the same targets.

I hit all targets on that same test patch with a 4500, factory presets in enhanced with a 17 x 11 elite.

My missus hit all with her 5000, factory presets in fine gold with the 14" elite.

https://www.prospectingaustralia.com.au … p?id=20873


Det used - Whites 6000D, ML SD2000, ML SD 2001, ML SD 2200D, Garrett Infinium. Minelab SDC 2300. Minelab GPZ 7000.
Current Det - Garrett ASD Groundhog. . Minelab GPX 5000. Minelab GPX 4500.

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#823

JakeofallTrades
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Joined: 19 July 2013
Posts: 83
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08 January 2019 01:52 pm

Tathradj wrote:

I myself have been very lax on my comments about the QED. ops
As it stands at the moment,
The QED is a very capable machine.
When I am right I do not and will not back down. thumbsup

Times lately for the detecting time have been like hell to find.
I have set my sights on putting it out there for all to see and
in my own, Personal opinion,
The QED to me is a brilliant machine.

Only way to describe the machines capabilities and operation,
It is a prospectors machine.
Not a gadget that does every thing for you.
But do not let that put you off.
Like any piece of equipment, Learn how to use it. I picked up how
to set it up within 20 minutes of use.

And it pinged a target 22 grams at 450 mm deep with a Sadie on it. cool

I quite like it. perfect perfect

"And it pinged a target 22 grams at 450 mm deep with a Sadie on it"

So I've read on another forum that this was a test piece, not found, is that correct?

Tathradj Edit.
Yes, That is correct.
I do not talk about my other real finds in public forums.
I am a big enough target as it is. awful

Last edited by Tathradj (13 January 2019 11:03 am)

#824

Rush
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Joined: 22 May 2015
Posts: 148
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08 January 2019 02:02 pm

For me the QED video results shows what it can achieve at a fraction of the cost of the others.

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#825

mbasko
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From: Central West NSW
Joined: 27 January 2015
Posts: 3,761
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08 January 2019 02:47 pm

Reg Wilson wrote:

Some time back I did a test using my GPZ, and QED, accompanied by Bill Schultz (Wombat) at the Coiltek test pad at Lucknow lead Maryborough. Bill had his GPX5000, and we tested all 3 machines. As far as Mbasko's claim about the QED being tweaked up while the other machines being dumbed down, I can assure you, and Bill is my witness, that was not the case. The QED picked out each target as clearly as both the other machines, and on the deeper target was actually better.
All machines were set up so that they were usable off the pad as well as on it. It was possible to tweak up each machine to get a better target response, however that made them nonfunctional for general use in the field. I have now been using a QED for over 2 years, and would not claim to have mastered it in a short period of use.

Reg I never made any claims about any of your testing at all! Full stop.
Your tests aren't/weren't part of the discussion here. In Wombats report he noted at the time (if I'm reading correctly) that each different coil on the QED was fine tuned in order to pick up all targets. No other settings/results for the GPX or GPZ were recorded only that they also picked up the targets except the GPZ Edit: had "trouble" with the last 5.5 ounce one: http://golddetecting.forumotion.net/t24 … -me#240736
http://golddetecting.forumotion.net/t24 … -me#240876
I did point out that the latest GPZ testing videos at the test site were done using the same fixed settings only to compare different coils on the GPZ in an effort to show the comparison of those prototype coils to the standard coils - I believe it wasn't set up for optimum target response on the test patch.
Due to the spurious noises the QED makes at the timelines I highlighted I believe IMO that the QED may be set up hotter than you would normally run on that ground in an effort to do a short video showing it getting good target responses there for no other reason than to try to prove something over the latest GPZ/GPX videos there - what I don't know as it proves nothing.
I've got no doubt its been made to counter the GPZ prototype coil vids but completely misses the point of them!

Last edited by mbasko (08 January 2019 03:06 pm)


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