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karelian65
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16 January 2017 07:05 pm

I got two battery trays on fleabay, they hold 3 x 18650 batteries. Works on all my White's machines, MXT, XL PRO and TDI SL.
Just add quality batteries and use a good charger and it should be problem free. Enough juice to run the MXT for days and still show full charge. The Tdi Sl runs for hours, I go for three hours to maximise performance and give the batteries more life. They are made in the Ukraine on a 3d printer. Quality is decent, so far so good.
Highly recommended, no drama with postage etc like with RnB Batteries.. this is the tray only so have to get your own 18650 cells and charger. Go with quality brand name cells and charger, protective cells are safe option.

Could be useful for anyone who runs a thirsty machine, V3 and Tdi Sl users especially. I like these so I'm not keeping them secret..1484553626_battery_1.jpg1484553641_battery_2.jpg1484553662_battery_3.jpg

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17 January 2017 12:11 am

Looks good have you got the ebay item number and what $ were they thanks smile


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karelian65
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17 January 2017 12:31 pm

Item no. 282297969495, seller is snOwboarder, price is A$29.37 plus $6.67 postage. Us $22 plus $5 postage. Postage took two weeks for me.
Just checked there are some on fleabay now. All the best.

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17 January 2017 02:22 pm

Thanks mate good info smile


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17 January 2017 09:11 pm

So you are getting between 11.1 and 12.6 volts, So the only real benefit is the longer mah run time,, Have you checked the voltage of the RnB pack because some claim that they run at 14.4 volts and what is the measured voltage of your Orange pack when fully charged,

Thanks for the Info.

John.


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karelian65
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17 January 2017 11:52 pm

Essentially the orange pack and RnB are near identical. Each uses three 18650 cells. RnB packs recharge with the cells inside, the orange pack requires you to remove that battery and use a charger.

The 18650 protected cells I use 1484657296_img_0778.jpgcan be charged to 4.15 volts each for a total of 12.45 volts which settles to 12.3 volts, some people push the cells higher on their smart chargers to achieve higher voltages. 14.4 volts is really pushing it for only three 18650 cells. My RnB freshly charged is just 12 volts +, way short of 14.4 volts.

So yes the only real benefit is longer mah run time.

But that is a big deal if your running a V3 or Tdi Sl..

Also it can be difficult to post RnB packs to Australia, they can be considered a bit pricey.. Orange pack is cheap, near identical performance depending on the 18650 cells used in the battery tray. No postage issues, easily upgraded as 18650 cells evolve.

If you use protected cells then the circuit stops overcharging and over discharging, safer and longer life cells result. Use unprotected 18650 cells and you can overcharge them giving much higher voltages. But that could be risky.

Hope this has been of use.

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18 January 2017 12:59 am

Cool thanks for that, I got some 3100's and the place where I bought my Tac Lights / Torches has some 3400's and a 4 and 8 bay charger big_smile I love being able to charge more than 2 at a time,

John.


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25 January 2017 08:56 pm

Thanks for the info on those battery packs, sounds good. I have a couple of torches that run the 18650 cells, so having already a charger and spare batteries sounds good.

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09 April 2017 02:13 pm

Just want to mention Karelian65, Had trouble searching for that username found it but its actually sn0wboarder (been a zero not a capital O)
Just for others to make it easier to find smile

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27 August 2017 09:08 pm

My 18650 battery packs arrived and are just how karelian65 described them, all good. smile

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20 August 2019 01:42 am

Hi mate I'm definitely after one of these over the RnB pack but can't find this eBay seller at all..I went into advanced search options and put the name snOwboarder in there as well as making sure it's a worldwide search but nothing. Also tried to use the item number but also nothing..can you confirm this seller still exists? What is the title of the listing I might be able to find it that way?
Cheers

karelian65 wrote:

Item no. 282297969495, seller is snOwboarder, price is A$29.37 plus $6.67 postage. Us $22 plus $5 postage. Postage took two weeks for me.
Just checked there are some on fleabay now. All the best.

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20 August 2019 01:50 am

Lol never mind just saw the other post it's zero not o..all good have ordered one

snippifish wrote:

Hi mate I'm definitely after one of these over the RnB pack but can't find this eBay seller at all..I went into advanced search options and put the name snOwboarder in there as well as making sure it's a worldwide search but nothing. Also tried to use the item number but also nothing..can you confirm this seller still exists? What is the title of the listing I might be able to find it that way?
Cheers

karelian65 wrote:

Item no. 282297969495, seller is snOwboarder, price is A$29.37 plus $6.67 postage. Us $22 plus $5 postage. Postage took two weeks for me.
Just checked there are some on fleabay now. All the best.

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22 August 2019 01:24 am

Say do these battery holders take flat top or button top? I had a look on eBay for the same batteries you have in there but the closest I can find is the xero 13.2wh 3600mah do you reckon those would be about the same or is the SL more compatible with the 3500mah?

I got two battery trays on fleabay, they hold 3 x 18650 batteries. Works on all my White's machines, MXT, XL PRO and TDI SL.
Just add quality batteries and use a good charger and it should be problem free. Enough juice to run the MXT for days and still show full charge. The Tdi Sl runs for hours, I go for three hours to maximise performance and give the batteries more life. They are made in the Ukraine on a 3d printer. Quality is decent, so far so good.
Highly recommended, no drama with postage etc like with RnB Batteries.. this is the tray only so have to get your own 18650 cells and charger. Go with quality brand name cells and charger, protective cells are safe option.

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22 August 2019 12:51 pm

hey Snippifish, dunno if you noticed but those previous posts before you were made on here 2 years ago. Not sure if those guys look in on here much anymore!
(always pays to look at the date when responding to a post)
you could try a direct message or email
DED


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22 August 2019 01:36 pm

I’m running flat tops in mine but the battery compartments are spring loaded so there’s plenty of room for button tops. As Karelian says, make sure you get protected cells and buy from a trusted seller. There are people selling cheap cells in brand name skins.

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snippifish
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24 August 2019 06:26 pm

Good stuff..how much of a run time are you getting from your orange pack?

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karelian65
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27 August 2019 03:39 pm

snippifish the orange pack as pictured above will last about three hours in a Tdi SL, at max performance. Because I have lots of 18650 cells, I'll swap out after three hours but you could go for up to four or five easy. With an XL Pro or MXT we are talking days not hours. Again I'll top them up after each days use but you could get 16 hours before voltage drops, maybe more but not really less. So two days detecting before any noticeable discharge with VLF machines and three or four hours at max performance on the TDI SL. V3 users might have different results but I'll bet on a full days detecting without noticeable discharge..
The cost and performance equation means I have little use for my RnB battery. The orange pack has three of the best batteries and the technology will only improve, upgrades are so easy. Just an all round winner. Just wish the chap in the Ukraine would develop a 4 x 18650 cell holder, just what Tdi SL users are all after.

All the best,
Karelian

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snippifish
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29 August 2019 04:23 am

Thanks mate..yes a 4x battery holder would be ideal I'm going to ask him over eBay what the possibilities of him making one are

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01 September 2019 09:19 pm

So I heard back from snowboarder here is what he replied with

"Hi. I think about it, but new case will fit only unprotected battery (65mm long with flat top). after vacation I will try to make one for four cell."

Sucks that it's unprotected but best and cheapest solution I have seen so far thumbsup

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karelian65
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01 September 2019 10:13 pm

snippifish unprotected cells are not a problem if you use quality brands such as the Panasonic ones. Also use a smart charger that allows you to not over charge the cells. Finally don't run them too low when using them, so make sure you work out how long they last before change over. So just what I'm already doing.. I've got that 4 x 18650 battery holder up and running. What I will do next is take my amp meter with me and check the rate of discharge, make allowances for safety and cell life etc. Ultimately all that combined gives me a safe run time for the 4 x 18650 pack. If sn0boarder makes a few 4 cell holders, them i'm going to buy one at least. Good that you got a reply so quickly. Well done.
All the best, Karelian1567336371_img_1292_2_edited.jpg

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snippifish
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02 September 2019 12:51 am

Karrlian, I would be interested to see your findings especially the optimal run time for the 4x18650. I'm assuming you won't charge them much past 16v..
What is that coil you got there? Looks ideal for some of the places I can't really get into with the miner John.
If snowboarder makes the battery pack I'll post it on here when it becomes available thumbsup

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karelian65
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02 September 2019 02:17 pm

The 4 x 18650 pack has Panasonic NCR19650B flat cells, a quick test to see how long the pack lasts in the Tdi SL. The machine had a modest threshold and no headphones, so using the speaker for max battery drain..

9.00 am 16.4 volts, starting voltage.
10.00am 15.5 volts one hour.
11.00am 14.9 volts two hours.
11.30am 14.6 volts tow and a half hours.
12.00 14.4 volts three hours.
12.30pm 14.15 volts three and a half hours.
1.00 pm 13.9 volts 4 hours.

Fast drop in the first hour which slows as the cells are depleted. I'll pull the plug at 3 hours to optimise performance. Since the design allows us to swap out for fresh cells in the field I'll do it for max depth. So three hours and I'm still well over 14 volts.

Karelian

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snippifish
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02 September 2019 03:13 pm

That's awesome thanks for that! I'll see how different those numbers are here in the pilbara heat skull

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karelian65
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03 September 2019 11:38 pm

snippifish testing was on a sunny but cool day. I noticed that the 4 x 18650 pack was always warm when checked, but never hot. Sometimes on really hot days battery packs can get very warm. Desert heat can do strange things to electronics... and stylish black paint. Just one image of the completed 4 x 18650 modified White's battery holder. Karelian1567513825_img_1310_edited.jpg

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snippifish
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05 September 2019 12:08 pm

I'll probably end up wrapping the control box in some insulated cover. I'm not sure what's considered to hot for a detector coil but will find out lol


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